Predestination is misunderstood...
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After studying and analyzing them, Satan went after the woman because he noted that by design she is a responder.
Man tends to be an initiator..
From what is written one can deduct that Satan also noted how the woman had been enticed by the forbidden fruit out of curiosity ..
That is apparently why Adam added to the word and commanded her to not even touch the fruit. For she might have been reaching out to get a better sense of what that fruit was. Adam shouted out... "DON"T EVEN TOUCH IT!"
The command to not touch was not given by God. God simply said 'do not eat.'
Satan must have waited until the resistance was warn down and complacency set in. Then Adam when hearing the fruit would make him to be wise as the Lord? (who taught them daily) made Adam have an incentive to eat. For like Satan, Adam desired to be as the Lord.
But unlike Satan, Adam had no malice towards the Lord. He just wanting to be like the Lord. Not replace him like Satan did.
Man tends to be an initiator..
From what is written one can deduct that Satan also noted how the woman had been enticed by the forbidden fruit out of curiosity ..
That is apparently why Adam added to the word and commanded her to not even touch the fruit. For she might have been reaching out to get a better sense of what that fruit was. Adam shouted out... "DON"T EVEN TOUCH IT!"
The command to not touch was not given by God. God simply said 'do not eat.'
Satan must have waited until the resistance was warn down and complacency set in. Then Adam when hearing the fruit would make him to be wise as the Lord? (who taught them daily) made Adam have an incentive to eat. For like Satan, Adam desired to be as the Lord.
But unlike Satan, Adam had no malice towards the Lord. He just wanting to be like the Lord. Not replace him like Satan did.
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lol good one.
Ok God said through a spirit led person, he created us to before the foundations of the world to be holy and blameless.
So this should mean at one stage we where only holy and blameless.
Because since the fall, we never have been blameless or holy, well not in full anyway.
Also before the fall man was spiritualy alive.
Also there was nothing to blame man for before the fall.
Does this answer de question.
Ok God said through a spirit led person, he created us to before the foundations of the world to be holy and blameless.
So this should mean at one stage we where only holy and blameless.
Because since the fall, we never have been blameless or holy, well not in full anyway.
Also before the fall man was spiritualy alive.
Also there was nothing to blame man for before the fall.
Does this answer de question.
that's funny, I thought it said God chose us to be holy and blameless before the world was created.
I see the part Where Jesus helped in the creation of man with the father and the holy spirit. But I don't see the part your saying, as your referencing it to be after the fall
I wonder Cameron how was man made spiritual alive if he had no characteristics of Jesus
I see the part Where Jesus helped in the creation of man with the father and the holy spirit. But I don't see the part your saying, as your referencing it to be after the fall
I wonder Cameron how was man made spiritual alive if he had no characteristics of Jesus
Your favoring the idea he chose us to be holy and blameless in him after fall,
Because you see that being in him, as in him after the resurrection.
But he who is in you is holy and blameless, every saved person is still not blameless, because every saved person is still convicted of sin.
But yet you would rather see your interpretation to be after the fall when scripture does not indicate it was just ment for just after the fall.
How could you not have been in him if you where spiritualy alive before the fall and blameless, and also he created you to, and made you become spiritualy alive, this is before the fall, why is it you want to not even acknowledge this.
Because you see that being in him, as in him after the resurrection.
But he who is in you is holy and blameless, every saved person is still not blameless, because every saved person is still convicted of sin.
But yet you would rather see your interpretation to be after the fall when scripture does not indicate it was just ment for just after the fall.
How could you not have been in him if you where spiritualy alive before the fall and blameless, and also he created you to, and made you become spiritualy alive, this is before the fall, why is it you want to not even acknowledge this.
He created us to be holy and blameless because he chose us for the Resurrection in Christ!
So?
When you are resurrected?
You will no longer act like an idiot.
then you will be holy and blameless.
He chose the Church for it.
So?
When you are resurrected?
You will no longer act like an idiot.
then you will be holy and blameless.He chose the Church for it.
You really are stubborn aren't you.
I meant to say he chose us in him.
Which means thats how he chose us in his image of creation before the fall
It's the same thing anyhow
He chose us in him before he even created us
Do ye understand.
He chose and image meaning he had already created that image before he created it.
You know like get yourself a pencil draw an image there you go you've created an image
I meant to say he chose us in him.
Which means thats how he chose us in his image of creation before the fall
It's the same thing anyhow
He chose us in him before he even created us
Do ye understand.
He chose and image meaning he had already created that image before he created it.
You know like get yourself a pencil draw an image there you go you've created an image
The presence of sin proves that God was able to create a life that is genuinely a life onto it self.
For God Himself can not create something sinful.
That's impossible for any creator to do with his own creation which will always show his own limitations in how the creation is manifested.
That is how God gets the glory! For it confounds every creative person and angel as to how a creator could achieve such a feat.
For God Himself can not create something sinful.
That's impossible for any creator to do with his own creation which will always show his own limitations in how the creation is manifested.
That is how God gets the glory! For it confounds every creative person and angel as to how a creator could achieve such a feat.
here you go Mr stubborn.
Your favoring the idea he chose us to be holy and blameless in him after fall,
Because you see that being in him, as in him after the resurrection.
But he who is in you is holy and blameless, every saved person is still not blameless, because every saved person is still convicted of sin.
But yet you would rather see your interpretation to be after the fall when scripture does not indicate it was just ment for just after the fall.
How could you not have been in him if you where spiritualy alive before the fall and blameless, and also he created you to, and made you become spiritualy alive, this is before the fall, why is it you want to not even acknowledge this.
Your favoring the idea he chose us to be holy and blameless in him after fall,
Because you see that being in him, as in him after the resurrection.
But he who is in you is holy and blameless, every saved person is still not blameless, because every saved person is still convicted of sin.
But yet you would rather see your interpretation to be after the fall when scripture does not indicate it was just ment for just after the fall.
How could you not have been in him if you where spiritualy alive before the fall and blameless, and also he created you to, and made you become spiritualy alive, this is before the fall, why is it you want to not even acknowledge this.
