Predestination is misunderstood...
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After God made man, God called creation very good. It was not called slightly flawed.
At first sight, you sound correct about Adam not being deceived. However, may I suggest something. I am suggesting that Paul has in mind that the word "first" explicitly said in v. 13, is implied in v. 14
1 Tim 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach or usurp authority over a man, but to be in silence (hEsuchia, ruliness). 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived (first), but the woman being deceived (first) was in a transgression (first).
I don't think Paul is saying that Adam was not in a transgression as well. But that Eve was in transgression first. Since in Rom. 5:14 we are told that death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression. If both Adam and Eve transgressed, Paul does not seem to mean by " Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in a transgression," that only Eve was in a transgression. So we might infer that he also does not mean that only Eve was deceived. And we could infer that he means "For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived (first), but the woman being deceived (first) was in a transgression (first)."
So, he is suggesting that women are more easily deceived than men; not that women are deceivable, but men are not.
At first sight, you sound correct about Adam not being deceived. However, may I suggest something. I am suggesting that Paul has in mind that the word "first" explicitly said in v. 13, is implied in v. 14
1 Tim 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach or usurp authority over a man, but to be in silence (hEsuchia, ruliness). 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived (first), but the woman being deceived (first) was in a transgression (first).
I don't think Paul is saying that Adam was not in a transgression as well. But that Eve was in transgression first. Since in Rom. 5:14 we are told that death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression. If both Adam and Eve transgressed, Paul does not seem to mean by " Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in a transgression," that only Eve was in a transgression. So we might infer that he also does not mean that only Eve was deceived. And we could infer that he means "For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived (first), but the woman being deceived (first) was in a transgression (first)."
So, he is suggesting that women are more easily deceived than men; not that women are deceivable, but men are not.
1) No. Adam was never deceived pre-fall, nor was he easily deceived. In fact Adam had vast intellectual and spiritual power, sufficient to resist the tests and temptations of the wisest and most powerful created being. Adam in effect committed suicide to save the Woman, and his carefully calculated gambit paid off. After their SUCCESS and REDEMPTION at their trial, Adam THEN in great rejoicing renames the Woman to Eve "the mother of all LIVING". Not the mother of all dead.
2) Absolutely agree.
I have a sneaking suspicion the God Himself knew that Adam would defeat Satan. And the whole sordid affair would eventually be a total defeat of Satan and vast eternal blessings for the seed of Adam.
The future defeat of Satan and preservation of the seed of Adam. In black and white right here.
Gen 3:14
And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Gen 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
2) Absolutely agree.
I have a sneaking suspicion the God Himself knew that Adam would defeat Satan. And the whole sordid affair would eventually be a total defeat of Satan and vast eternal blessings for the seed of Adam.
The future defeat of Satan and preservation of the seed of Adam. In black and white right here.
Gen 3:14
And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Gen 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
God can slow down time and stretch a day to see trillions of details that we have no idea are there.
For us to see them all would take us a thousand years......
And, God can condense all that takes place within a thousand years so easily, that to him it seems like a mere day.
That is what it speaks of.
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I appreciate the explanation but I disagree with it. It's easier for me to infer Adam's sin was a different kind of sin.
And God could easily have said everything was perfect. Good I believe was chosen because it was both accurate but also because perfection biblically is used in the sense of completeness.
And God could easily have said everything was perfect. Good I believe was chosen because it was both accurate but also because perfection biblically is used in the sense of completeness.
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You bring it down to a very elemental basic level while simultaneously trying to make it sound complex.....
Which can make another feel he is missing something, when in fact he is failing to see you are dealing with what should be simple.
You need to find a good teacher so you can stop spinning your wheels.
Which can make another feel he is missing something, when in fact he is failing to see you are dealing with what should be simple.
You need to find a good teacher so you can stop spinning your wheels.
