Predestination is misunderstood...
- Thread starter Genez
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
You are free to have others do your thinking for you and to simply eat from the trough of whoever tickles your ears as you eat. But God wants you to mature to a point where He is able to teach you directly by His word and spirit. At some point you will need to leave the safety of your systematic theological nest and explore the real world following your Shepherd's own voice..
No one said "total depravity." We were born with a sin nature that is in our body.
God creates the soul.
Our parents produce the sin nature body that our soul lives inside of.
Total depravity would indicate that our soul is doomed to be depraved even after it leaves the body.
God saved our souls only. Not the body.
Total depravity would mean there would be nothing for God to save.
God creates the soul.
Our parents produce the sin nature body that our soul lives inside of.
Total depravity would indicate that our soul is doomed to be depraved even after it leaves the body.
God saved our souls only. Not the body.
Total depravity would mean there would be nothing for God to save.
-
1
- Show all
I gave you examples. Satan was under authority when testing job and the demons had to ask permission to enter pigs.
It does not say he would die within a thousand years. It says literally " on the day you eat from it, to die you will be dying" (Gen.2:17) You also go into Christianese rationalising because Peter says "a day is like a thousand years to the Lord". News flash, a day is not like a thousand years to us so when God speaks of a day to a human He means a 24 hour period. The Lord speaks of two deaths, one on the day Adam eats and the other over time.
So you say then blame the devil for death. Make your mind up.
It does not say he would die within a thousand years. It says literally " on the day you eat from it, to die you will be dying" (Gen.2:17) You also go into Christianese rationalising because Peter says "a day is like a thousand years to the Lord". News flash, a day is not like a thousand years to us so when God speaks of a day to a human He means a 24 hour period. The Lord speaks of two deaths, one on the day Adam eats and the other over time.
So you say then blame the devil for death. Make your mind up.
You are committing the error of generalising one event into the case for every event.
Like saying: I only went to the movies because my mother let me go. Therefore everyone who goes to the movies has to have my mother's permission. Silly and false inductive reasoning.
oLaM (translated in the command as day) can mean a day, a season, a period of time, a lifetime, and age.... Death within 1000 years was God's decree. The means of death was not decreed. The devil is one of the means by which we die. He is a murderer, right? Do yu agree that he is a murderer?
Like saying: I only went to the movies because my mother let me go. Therefore everyone who goes to the movies has to have my mother's permission. Silly and false inductive reasoning.
oLaM (translated in the command as day) can mean a day, a season, a period of time, a lifetime, and age.... Death within 1000 years was God's decree. The means of death was not decreed. The devil is one of the means by which we die. He is a murderer, right? Do yu agree that he is a murderer?
A good teacher teaches people to think coherently and lucidly. They do not tell people what to think. they teach people how to come to reasonable conclusions from given data. How to do things. How to see things from other perspectives. How to cooperate and participate in communal activities. They do not teach people to rattle off memorised talking points from a single unexamined perspective.
PaulThomson said:
You are committing the error of generalising one event into the case for every event.
Like saying: I only went to the movies because my mother let me go. Therefore everyone who goes to the movies has to have my mother's permission. Silly and false inductive reasoning.
oLaM (translated in the command as day) can mean a day, a season, a period of time, a lifetime, and age.... Death within 1000 years was God's decree. The means of death was not decreed. The devil is one of the means by which we die. He is a murderer, right? Do yu agree that he is a murderer?
Olam has a diverse set of meanings, including, world, existence, lifetime and eternity. As is often the case in Hebrew, the etymology of the word suggests the link between its different senses; olam comes from alam, a verb meaning to hide or conceal.
https://www.thejc.com/judaism/jewis... has a diverse set,meaning to hide or conceal.
https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/logical-fallacies-definition-fallacy-examples/
Answer: 2 Peter 3:8–9 reads:
King James Bible
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
You are committing the error of generalising one event into the case for every event.
Like saying: I only went to the movies because my mother let me go. Therefore everyone who goes to the movies has to have my mother's permission. Silly and false inductive reasoning.
oLaM (translated in the command as day) can mean a day, a season, a period of time, a lifetime, and age.... Death within 1000 years was God's decree. The means of death was not decreed. The devil is one of the means by which we die. He is a murderer, right? Do yu agree that he is a murderer?
Olam has a diverse set of meanings, including, world, existence, lifetime and eternity. As is often the case in Hebrew, the etymology of the word suggests the link between its different senses; olam comes from alam, a verb meaning to hide or conceal.
https://www.thejc.com/judaism/jewis... has a diverse set,meaning to hide or conceal.
https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/logical-fallacies-definition-fallacy-examples/
Answer: 2 Peter 3:8–9 reads:
‘But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.’
God used the word 'oLaM in Genesis King James Bible
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
What position do you imagine I am assuming? Is asking questions and presenting an alternative perspective to someone else "assuming a position"? Or simply expressing my own thoughts?
No. I have been informally studying biblical Greek and Hebrew and the Bible for 35+ years. I know how to provide references for the linguistic points I make in attempting to rightly divide the word of truth.
No. I have been informally studying biblical Greek and Hebrew and the Bible for 35+ years. I know how to provide references for the linguistic points I make in attempting to rightly divide the word of truth.