Predestination is misunderstood...

[maxamir]

After his infant son died soon after birth, David said he was going to see that son in heaven in the future.

Children who do not reach the age of accountability and die are automatically saved..
God would not let them die otherwise.

But now that he is dead, why should I go on fasting? Can I bring him back again? ​

I will go to him, but he will not return to me.” 2 Samuel 12:23​

grace and peace .......................

David was describing the abode of the dead to which all men go.

There is no such thing as an age of accountability or innocence of youth as all are born under the curse.

God saves by grace and not by age.

 

[cv5]

God indeed desires all types of men to be saved but not every single man without exception which would be contrary to His sovereign decree to save those whom He loves and for whom Christ died.

Does God desire to save those He justly casts into Hell or the Antichrist?

Pro 16:4 The LORD has made all for Himself, Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom.

God desires all men to be saved. Tragically all men do not desire to be saved.

The free will that God created in man is the deciding factor.

 

[maxamir]

born with a natural body is also to born with a father who cares

The Father cares so much that He sent His only Son to secure salvation for those He has chosen according to the good pleasure of His will to the praise of the glory of His grace (Eph 1:4-6).

 

[cv5]

David was describing the abode of the dead to which all men go.

There is no such thing as an age of accountability or innocence of youth as all are born under the curse.

God saves by grace and not by age.

God saves all children before the age of accountability and they will be with Him in eternity.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

God desires all men to be saved. Tragically all men do not desire to be saved.

The free will that God created in man is the deciding factor.

why did he save you

 

[sawdust]

Sanctification is indeed a lifelong process but to say that Christians do not struggle with the lust of the eyes and the lust of the flesh etc. this side of eternity is a proud statement and God lovingly chastises His children at times by handing them over to the sin that they hate in order to make or keep them humble which is a lesson it seems that you are yet to learn.

Just as well I have you to judge me then.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

The Father cares so much that He sent His only Son to secure salvation for those He has chosen according to the good pleasure of His will to the praise of the glory of His grace (Eph 1:4-6).

and who has been chosen

 

[sawdust]

I have to wonder if you truly know the Lord if you think that God doesn't justly blind some people to the truth.

2Th 2:11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
2Th 2:12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

huh? Its what I said. God does not inform His enemies.

 

[maxamir]

I was miraculously raised from the dead when I got born again!





Yes and each person has to make the decision to turn away from the power of the devil to the power of God

Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Acts 26:18
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins






Before we got born again we were not responsible for Adam's sin, we were only responsible for the sins we committed in this life which is one was we know man was not born a sinner.

Psalm 106:37,38; Jeremiah 19:4,5 - In sacrificing babies to idols, people shed the blood of innocent people. But if the babies inherited Adam's sin, they would be guilty and worthy of death. [cf. Jer. 32:35]

The teaching that we are all born sinners is false doctrine.

We all BECAME sinners after we were born by committing sins on our won.






God tells us babies are innocent.

Psalm 106:37,38; Jeremiah 19:4,5 - In sacrificing babies to idols, people shed the blood of innocent people. But if the babies inherited Adam's sin, they would be guilty and worthy of death. [cf. Jer. 32:35]






The man in Romans 7 says he is sold under sin so he was not a Christian.

Christians are new creatures in Christ, old things passed away all things become new (2 Corinthians 5:17) so those that are born again are not sold under sin. The answer to Romans 7 is Romans 8 so keep reading!






They can get born again and become a new creature in Christ where old things are passed away and all things become new (2 Corinthians 5:17)

God has provided a way for ALL people to be able to do this if they turn from sin and submit to Him.






The sin of Adam causes sin to be in the world and come UPON all men.

God never says in scripture all men were born sinners. People twisting and misunderstand scripture say that.






It's because all have sinned that Jesus went to the Cross.

He came to provide a way of salvation.

You obviously have not yet been brought to see yourself before a thrice holy God to deny the doctrine of original sin and think that man who is spiritually dead and lost the image and likeness of God in the Fall can choose anything outside of his cursed nature which is in slavery to sin and the devil and hates God and know that therefore it is impossible for man to choose God unless he has first been born again.

Psa 51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.

 

[Genez]

Sanctification is indeed a lifelong process but to say that Christians do not struggle with the lust of the eyes and the lust of the flesh etc. this side of eternity is a proud statement and God lovingly chastises His children at times by handing them over to the sin that they hate in order to make or keep them humble which is a lesson it seems that you are yet to learn.

What you just did is sin....

You distorted that person's words.
Now he must struggle with YOUR sin....

When you learn not to do that your sinning will become less.....
You struggle with sin will become lessened.

 

[PaulThomson]

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grace and peace ...............

There is no need to outsource our thinking to someone else. We have the scriptures. We have the Holy Spirit. We have the Lord Jesus. We have on line interlinear Bibles that parse the grammar for us. We have access to Greek and Hebrew grammars. I can read for myself what the scriptures say without being pre-programmed by some scholar to find what he wants me to think is there. I think others would do well to be more Berean, and not to be "I follow Apollos-ers and I follow Peter-ers .

 

[sawdust]

What you just did is sin....

You distorted that person's words.
Now he must struggle with YOUR sin....

Nah, no struggle, not now. Would have been when I was still young and ignorant of The Lord but now I know He is my rest.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

This man is a cut above. The contrast between a dime a dozen preacher vs this guy is like the difference between your local tobogganing hill and Mount Everest.

I have learned more from Chronister in the last 2 years then the previous 25. Not an exaggeration.

In my many e-mails I have expressed my eternal debt to him and all of his stupendous efforts.

Please pray for Pastor Chronister, as he is suffering from life-threatening kidney disease.

A friend of mine sent me to his FB page and I have been listening to him off and on. I recently saw that he was ill and postponed some of his scheduled teaching meetings. I didn't know it was due to kidney disease. Will absolutely keep him in prayers.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Satan attacked Eve. Not Adam.

Did I say otherwise?

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

May I have permission to quote you and use your name, please?

what makes you think i should believe you have any manners

 

[sawdust]

There is no need to outsource our thinking to someone else. We have the scriptures. We have the Holy Spirit. We have the Lord Jesus. We have on line interlinear Bibles that parse the grammar for us. We have access to Greek and Hebrew grammars. I can read for myself what the scriptures say without being pre-programmed by some scholar to find what he wants me to think is there. I think others would do well to be more Berean, and not to be "I follow Apollos-ers and I follow Peter-ers .

And we have those whom God has appointed to teach His word. You would ignore them and rely on your own understanding instead? Teachers are supernaturally gifted to do their job and they have a responsibility to prepare themselves well as they cop a stricter judgment.

Ephesians 4:11
And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,

James 3:1
My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

On the contrary, the fact that 1 Timothy 2:14 says that "Adam was not deceived" is proof positive that Satan DID in fact test him probably multiple times. And never succeeded.

And then came the skullduggery with the woman.

And remember that the Woman had to be alone when the temptation was occurring. For one reason or another Adam was not around to protect and defend Eve at this critical juncture.

Therefore Adam must've been tempted at some earlier point in time.

14 and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.

I have no disagreement that this verse possibly could mean that Satan tried to deceive Adam.

I did mention this, which you have quoted.
"That usually means from experience or some kind of understanding he knew that God made a difference between Adam and Eve. "

 

[maxamir]

God desires all men to be saved. Tragically all men do not desire to be saved.

The free will that God created in man is the deciding factor.

After the Fall, God Himself describes man as being only evil continually (Gen 6:5) which proves that man had lost any ability to want to choose God.

Man is indeed free to choose according to his nature but sadly it is cursed and enslaved to the devil which is why Christ had to come on a rescue mission to secure salvation for His people.

Act 26:18 to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.'

 

[maxamir]

God saves all children before the age of accountability and they will be with Him in eternity.

then those who abort babies are the greatest evangelists and it would be better to die as a child and secure Heaven than live a long life on Earth and go to Hell.

God saves by grace and NOT by age.

 

[maxamir]

Just as well I have you to judge me then.

I only judge according to Scripture.