Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.
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Do I really need to post all the verses that say God loves everybody? I'd have to post the entire Bible. And all true Christians know them anyway. Whereas you claim that God hates most everybody. That's not anywhere in the Bible.
Anyway, I don't want to continue any discourse with you. I find what you write quite repulsive.
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God's Divine Justice is love. God hates unrepentant sinners who are in hell and allows them to be tortured by the devil/demons in the most unimaginable/horrible/dreadful ways for all eternity.
THE END.
THE END.
-^-------------------------^- It's telling how you posts demons on there. It shows you're just hateful yourself and imposing that hate on God. 😇
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Amen , the whole concept is misunderstood because we won’t listen to what he actually said this is the situation
“The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, and sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: and the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them. But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.”
Matthew 22:2-10 KJV
it’s not that they weren’t invited th e same as the last group it’s just that they refused to attend the invite was repeatedly given and still is today but still today some aren’t interested in his offer
So we say “ only a select few are invited and chosen to attend “ it’s actually that many won’t respond to the gospel not that they are kept out of it his Will was tbat all creatures hear the invite it’s up to then if they attend
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
everyones called only some will respond
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.”
Acts 2:38-41 KJV
everyone is called no one is forbidden but many won’t choose the gospel they’ll choose the world
“The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, and sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: and the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them. But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.”
Matthew 22:2-10 KJV
it’s not that they weren’t invited th e same as the last group it’s just that they refused to attend the invite was repeatedly given and still is today but still today some aren’t interested in his offer
So we say “ only a select few are invited and chosen to attend “ it’s actually that many won’t respond to the gospel not that they are kept out of it his Will was tbat all creatures hear the invite it’s up to then if they attend
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
everyones called only some will respond
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.”
Acts 2:38-41 KJV
everyone is called no one is forbidden but many won’t choose the gospel they’ll choose the world
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Sadly this is true. Many choose to enjoy the pleasures of sin in this life rather than walking with the Lord.
Once the Lord has revealed to someone of their need to be saved and that Jesus is the way - if after that they still choose to ignore the Lord and live in sin, they are in deep, very deep trouble and most likly will not ever come back to the Lord due to the deceitfulness of sin
Hebrews 3:13
But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Walking in sin makes one's heart hard.
He does not believe the Lord speaks to mankind, so not sure how anyone believing this can even be a Christian.
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“Sadly this is true. Many choose to enjoy the pleasures of sin in this life rather than walking with the Lord.”
yeah it’s a lifetime journey many times I’ve fallen through the years but somehow I’m still standing by his grace . It’s about what he taught us sinners who need to repent and believe the gospel
“Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.
And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.”
Luke 15:1-2 KJV
The sinners we’re hearing from God who was calling then to repentance and life and the self righteous we’re complaining about it and missing the message themselves
“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.”
Isaiah 51:4
“In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
And the light shineth in darkness;
and the darkness comprehended it not.”
John 1:4-5 KJV
“And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.”
John 3:19-21 KJV
“If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
1 John 1:6-10 KJV
“For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth ) proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, redeeming the time, because the days are evil. Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.”
Ephesians 5:8-17 KJV
“Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.”
1 Corinthians 15:34
Brother if others haven’t yet come to repentance it doesn’t mean they won’t we haven’t all heard the same things sadly it’s when a person turns really to Jesus to learn the truth in the gospel that it happens
But some of us it takes years to get squared up but somehow we always knew we would get there and be saved because he’s able to deliver and save us so we just press forward towards the mark and run the race knowing hes beside us and also waiting at the finish line
One thing about Jesus he’s not short or patience with those he loves nor mercy and grace towards them always waiting for his children to turn back home
yeah it’s a lifetime journey many times I’ve fallen through the years but somehow I’m still standing by his grace . It’s about what he taught us sinners who need to repent and believe the gospel
“Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.
And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.”
Luke 15:1-2 KJV
The sinners we’re hearing from God who was calling then to repentance and life and the self righteous we’re complaining about it and missing the message themselves
“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.”
Isaiah 51:4
“In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
And the light shineth in darkness;
and the darkness comprehended it not.”
John 1:4-5 KJV
“And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.”
John 3:19-21 KJV
“If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
1 John 1:6-10 KJV
“For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth ) proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, redeeming the time, because the days are evil. Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.”
Ephesians 5:8-17 KJV
“Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.”
1 Corinthians 15:34
Brother if others haven’t yet come to repentance it doesn’t mean they won’t we haven’t all heard the same things sadly it’s when a person turns really to Jesus to learn the truth in the gospel that it happens
But some of us it takes years to get squared up but somehow we always knew we would get there and be saved because he’s able to deliver and save us so we just press forward towards the mark and run the race knowing hes beside us and also waiting at the finish line
One thing about Jesus he’s not short or patience with those he loves nor mercy and grace towards them always waiting for his children to turn back home
Well you haven't shown me why God is contradicting Himself. If you don't think He's a liar, why did He say those things which you're refusing to acknowledge or address. Refusing to acknowledge what God said, and accusing me of misapplying proof-text does not justify your position in any way.
It just further proves that you can't defend your false narrative.
It just further proves that you can't defend your false narrative.
OK, so our main disagreement is over Bible interpretations regarding salvation.
You believe Jacob Arminius nailed and I believe John Calvin nailed it. These two interpretations are diametrically opposed to each other and they have divided the Church into two camps. Every Christian must choose one of these sides, there's no middle ground or neutrality or third interpretation, we're all forced to choose a side.
You have obviously chosen to side with Jacob Arminius and I have chosen John Calvin's side.
The problem most Armenians have is that they are unaware that they are Armenians.
The dividing factor is Armenians believe they are saved because they choose to believe and obey the gospel.
Calvinists believe that God choose to save His elect before he created the world.
As you can see, these two can't be true at the same time. One is a false unbiblical belief and the other one is biblically true and correct.
Here's the damning Biblical evidence, to blow the Arminian doctrine out of the water.
You believe Jacob Arminius nailed and I believe John Calvin nailed it. These two interpretations are diametrically opposed to each other and they have divided the Church into two camps. Every Christian must choose one of these sides, there's no middle ground or neutrality or third interpretation, we're all forced to choose a side.
You have obviously chosen to side with Jacob Arminius and I have chosen John Calvin's side.
The problem most Armenians have is that they are unaware that they are Armenians.
The dividing factor is Armenians believe they are saved because they choose to believe and obey the gospel.
Calvinists believe that God choose to save His elect before he created the world.
As you can see, these two can't be true at the same time. One is a false unbiblical belief and the other one is biblically true and correct.
Here's the damning Biblical evidence, to blow the Arminian doctrine out of the water.