Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

[FollowerofShiloh]

@FollowerofShiloh
Ἐγώ εἰμι καὶ ὄψεσθε τὸν υἱὸν τοῦ ἀνθρώπου καθήμενον ἐκ δεξιῶν τῆς δυνάμεως καὶ ἐρχόμενον μετὰ τῶν νεφελῶν τοῦ οὐρανοῦ

ο δε ιησους ειπεν εγω ειμι και οψεσθε τον υιον του ανθρωπου καθημενον εκ δεξιων της δυναμεως και ερχομενον μετα των νεφελων του ουρανου
But Yeshua said to him, "I AM THE LIVING GOD, and you shall behold The Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of Heaven."

 

[7thMoon]

LORD is a perfectly good reference to God.

So is yahweh?

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

You don't have credibility after your silliness.

You have NO credibility after denying who Jesus is!

 

[7thMoon]

ο δε ιησους ειπεν εγω ειμι και οψεσθε τον υιον του ανθρωπου καθημενον εκ δεξιων της δυναμεως και ερχομενον μετα των νεφελων του ουρανου
But Yeshua said to him, "I AM THE LIVING GOD, and you shall behold The Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of Heaven."

And the word theos Θεος is non-existant in this verse.

 

[7thMoon]

You have NO credibility after denying who Jesus is!

You deny he was completely human.

 

[Cameron143]

so your robbing people of being deserving because they can't respond.

I'm not robbing anyone of anything. I didn't decide any terms for anyone. God never asked me what I thought on the subject.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

You don't understand what total depravity means. Most people don't. But thanks for sharing.

honestly Cameron total depravity on whose part your part of God's will for us.

You say totally depravity because man is born depraved spiritualy dead.

But Yet you've just admitted it's not there fault.

So the word enters all man which is a light and a seed.

How is it there totally depraved at this stage cam

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

And the word theos Θεος is non-existant in this verse.

You are using the TR version which is why. Latin to Greek.

 

[Cameron143]

So is yahweh?

So do what you like and allow others the same privilege. Break yokes, don't forge them.

 

[Cameron143]

honestly Cameron total depravity on whose part your part of God's will for us.

You say totally depravity because man is born depraved spiritualy dead.

But Yet you've just admitted it's not there fault.

So the word enters all man which is a light and a seed.

How is it there totally depraved at this stage cam

Define total depravity.

 

[7thMoon]

You are using the TR version which is why. Latin to Greek.

Curious, is it in the vulgate?

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Curious, is it in the vulgate?

No Way! That's as butt backwards as it gets but your TR version was Koine Greek to Latin and Erasmus translated back to modern Greek which is different than Koine Greek.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Define total depravity.

I've just had it defined two hours ago by a Calvinist bright frame, who's a lot more hardened than you are

He said totally depravity means depraved and spiritualy dead.

Now I'm asking you how is a man totally depraved if God has put a seed into all man, his word is the light and a seed.

The scripture says all men get a seed.

Are you doing to ignore this.

Or at least acknowledge they've been given something that God can respond to

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

You deny he was completely human.

I don't deny he was human at all. But He was God in the flesh.


1....the Word was God
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us

 

[7thMoon]

No Way! That's as butt backwards as it gets but your TR version was Koine Greek to Latin and Erasmus translated back to modern Greek which is different than Koine Greek.

First off, Stephanus is quoted by the BLB not Erasmus. Modernized printed Erasmus 1522 is actually new. Second, the previous verse only says he is the messiah and the son of God. Far short of what you want it. Third, Erasmus used Greek manuscripts and so did Stephanus. Revelation is slightly an exception.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

First off, Stephanus is quoted by the BLB not Erasmus. Modernized printed Erasmus 1522 is actually new. Second, the previous verse only says he is the messiah and the son of God. Far short of what you want it. Third, Erasmus used Greek manuscripts and so did Stephanus. Revelation is slightly an exception.

But it's documented what their process was. So anyone using the English Bible is using partial to incorrect Greek since the prepositions between Koine and 12th century Modern changed.

Don't forget, the Strong's Concordance is only specific to the KJV, not all English translations only the TR. They even make this disclaimer. So it's inept for most of the New Testament and completely useless for the Tanakh or Old Testament.

 

[7thMoon]

But it's documented what their process was. So anyone using the English Bible is using partial to incorrect Greek since the prepositions between Koine and 12th century Modern changed.

Changed in what way? I think their definitions changed, and "modern" doesn't seem to me to have originated before modern English, but I would to go through documentation to prove it.

The TR was copied from cursive manuscripts if I am not mistaken as well.

Edit: cursive greek is not modern.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Changed in what way? I think their definitions changed, and "modern" doesn't seem to me to have originated before modern English, but I would to go through documentation to prove it.

The TR was copied from cursive manuscripts if I am not mistaken as well.

Erasmus documented it had many errors but he was pressed to finish it and he did.

 

[7thMoon]

Erasmus documented it had many errors but he was pressed to finish it and he did.

Erasmus even makes mistakes when correcting editions.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Good to have someone with knowledge on these boards. I am sure we will be discussing many issues in the future.

I like the diversity or your Septuagint versus my Torah even though mine is the true original text