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is that really what v.16 states? don't see that unless you have a different translation?
Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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is that really what v.16 states? don't see that unless you have a different translation?
The Gospel is about BELIEF in JESUS:
They heard and some believed and some did not. A true Testimony to "Free Will."
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well this could go on all night with one person trying to change what is said and the other defending what he said
I don't see the point when someone tries to change what is said as some kind of defence because the verse does not line up with Calvinistic beliefs
I don't see the point when someone tries to change what is said as some kind of defence because the verse does not line up with Calvinistic beliefs
You don't have to mention Free Will because your questions point towards your disbelief of it how I am claiming it can be used.
I don't deny God has done that. I just don't believe they are alone in being spiritually blind and deaf. And I believe being dead in trespasses and sins means more than to be without God.
Yeah, we are on the 3rd round of the same question asked but just a bit differently each new time.
I'm asking questions to understand why you believe as you do. You assume the rest.
You assume much too. My motivation is to understand why people believe as they do. I haven't disparaged anyone in anyway.
As a Jew brought up in Synagogue to learn Torah, Scriptures, and Talmud, I know the meaning of Free Will that is mentioned 17 times. I know God gives Free Will in the matters when choosing to accept/reject God.
22 And Joshua said unto the people: 'Ye are witnesses against yourselves that ye have chosen you the LORD, to serve Him.--And they said: 'We are witnesses.'--
If faith comes by hearing, and someone has heard, doesn't this imply they have faith? And if someone has faith, would their response be stopping their ears? These sound like reasonable questions to me.
The Bible gives answers and I have provided those verses to you, so NO, you reject the Word of God.
That choosing was about who to serve. Those verses aren't even remotely referring to salvation.
all people are born with the truth in them and are able to know right and wrong,
Is this any different to faith, because faith also knows right and wrong
You get ugly when someone doesn't accept what you say. So far you have played the Jewish card,infer I don't believe Jesus, and now say I reject the word of God. You should learn what it is to love or you will only clang like a cymbal.
I agree people know right and wrong because God has placed eternity in their hearts. But the Bible says we come forth speaking lies so not so sure about truth.
Sure. And they can lie. Ask them who ate the last cookie and see what they say with crumbs all over their face.
yes they lie because they know the truth.
You can't lie without knowing the truth can you
In this particular instance yes. But that's because they have knowledge of the circumstances. This isn't always so.