Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

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Mem

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Rufus said:
Why don't explain yourself then. I would love to know how spiritually dead men have any spiritual ability. Do you think that Jesus forced his will upon Lazarus when he commanded him to come forth from his tomb?
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Lazarus believed in Christ before he died.
 
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Every person we discuss our ideas with is made in the image of God. This alone makes them of eternal value. If they are saved, they are also of infinite value. Perhaps our manner of discourse should reflect the same degree of value for an individual that God affords to them.
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
Look at your verses you have posted from Romans 8. They are the tail end of what Paul is saying in this stanza. But the beginning of your verses begins with the verses before yours. And what verses you quoted relate to the verses before. Verses 20/21 shows us who Election/Predestination belong to from your verses. They belong to CREATION. So ALL humans have been Elected/Predestined.

20 For the creation was subjected to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who subjected it,

21 in hope that the creation itself shall be freed from the bondage of corruption into the liberty of the glory of the children of God.

So it was God's desire that ALL Creation be FREED and become His children. This is what predestination/election is all about. But FREE WILL is what negates that.

2 Constants we should NEVER forget:
1. 11 Say unto them: As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die

2. 33 And the LORD said unto Moses: 'Whosoever hath sinned against Me, him will I blot out of My book.


It's not God's desire that His Creation dies. But who sins (not repenting) gets blotted out of His Book. His Book is the only Book that matters.


The Reformed doctrine is a complete lie knowing what Paul really wrote here in Romans 8.
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God had more one book. The book of the living and the book of life are two different books.
 
FollowerofShiloh

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Rufus said:
FTFY! :coffee: You Shirely are one confused dude.
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It's S"U"RELY, btw.
I have taken everything you posted and aligned it with Scripture. I stand by my Post:
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You have presented only doctrine and no truth. You deny proven Scripture. If we were in person I would be casting you out!
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Rufus said:
That's nice. What does that have to do with my question? :rolleyes:
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Jesus didn't resurrect any heathens. Lazarus was no heathen. Your argument is that heathens can't believe yet you were once a heathen, but instead of claiming belief, you claim that God believed for you.
 
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Rufus said:
God had more one book. The book of the living and the book of life are two different books.
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We are ALL appointed to DIE once, so only 2 BOOKS matter.

1. Book of LIFE (Eternal Life)

2. Book of Remembrance

16 Then they that feared the LORD spoke one with another; and the LORD hearkened, and heard, and a book of remembrance was written before Him, for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon His name.


To be Blotted out is to be REMOVED from the Book of LIFE (Eternal Life).
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
It's S"U"RELY, btw.
I have taken everything you posted and aligned it with Scripture. I stand by my Post:
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Well...I have my Shirley and you have yours -- just like you have your truth and I have God's.

In what world have you "taken everything...."? Apparently, you have been so busy patting yourself on the back that you missed my 2837?
 
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Rufus said:
Well...I have my Shirley and you have yours -- just like you have your truth and I have God's.

In what world have you "taken everything...."? Apparently, you have been so busy patting yourself on the back that you missed my 2837?
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You have doctrine and tradition, both which Jesus condemned.
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
We are ALL appointed to DIE once, so only 2 BOOKS matter.

1. Book of LIFE (Eternal Life)

2. Book of Remembrance

16 Then they that feared the LORD spoke one with another; and the LORD hearkened, and heard, and a book of remembrance was written before Him, for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon His name.


To be Blotted out is to be REMOVED from the Book of LIFE (Eternal Life).
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That passage can't be too important, for it was you would have provided the full address.
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
You have doctrine and tradition, both which Jesus condemned.
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No, Jesus condemned the tradition of men. My post 2837 is not of that type, which is precisely why you are ignoring it. It's just another inconvenient truth that doesn't square with your worldly tradition that "God loves each and every person in the world"....because Jn. 3:16 says so. :rolleyes:
 
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Rufus said:
That passage can't be too important, for it was you would have provided the full address.
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16 Then they that feared the LORD spoke one with another; and the LORD hearkened, and heard, and a book of remembrance was written before Him, for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon His name.

17 And they shall be Mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in the day that I do make, even Mine own treasure; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.


It's a continuation. I don't "CHERRY PICK" like you do. Odd for you to ask me about something you do all the time. You just think because you do it everyone else must be doing it.
 
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Rufus said:
No, Jesus condemned the tradition of men. My post 2837 is not of that type, which is precisely why you are ignoring it. It's just another inconvenient truth that doesn't square with your worldly tradition that "God loves each and every person in the world"....because Jn. 3:16 says so. :rolleyes:
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Reformed doctrine that you follow is a tradition of MEN!
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
16 Then they that feared the LORD spoke one with another; and the LORD hearkened, and heard, and a book of remembrance was written before Him, for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon His name.

17 And they shall be Mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in the day that I do make, even Mine own treasure; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.


It's a continuation. I don't "CHERRY PICK" like you do. Odd for you to ask me about something you do all the time. You just think because you do it everyone else must be doing it.
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Learn to read. I didn't ask for a continuation, I asked for an address, i.e. complete text reference.
 
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Rufus said:
Learn to read. I didn't ask for a continuation, I asked for an address, i.e. complete text reference.
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How do you not know this and claim to have more knowledge of the "truth" than anyone here?
 
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Rufus said:
Yeah...and who subjected that creation to the bondage of corruption? Santa Claus? The Man in the Moon?

And who will free the entire creation from its bondage of corruption? You? Me? The Church? Who?
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God did and God will. IMG_5750.gif
 
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