Predestination is misunderstood...

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Genez said:
Do I have free will if I decide not to play your game?

You are faking it here and do not want to be exposed to being ignorant of much more than you have been hiding with your pretentious pseudo sophistication act.
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ain't faking nothing,

Again this doesn't answer the question

This is another provocative insult, that has nothing to do with free will.

What your gesture is again is free wickedness from a thought that appeared in your head, that made your head go ding dong, this is not the right response.

Well it was not a good response.

So far we have not established what will is but never mind

Now this question is based on another scripture.

What is God's will for all mankind.
 
Genez said:
Why are you living in the past?
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I am not living in the past. I am recognizing the present reality that, short of God's mercy shown to us in the atoning death of Jesus Christ, we all deserve death.

He has taken death in our place, whereupon we don't deserve death less, we simply won't experience it. We still don't deserve anything else. :)
 
Thunderrr-mental said:
so far ye have rejected everything that has be shown to you.
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Look in the mirror and say that.

Thunderrr-mental said:
Would you ask God to show you the truth and then give him a load of insults
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Firstly, you ain't God.

Secondly, I have not given you "a load of insults".

Thirdly, I have not asked you to show me the truth. I would never ask that of someone who has demonstrated a distinct lack of knowledge of the truth.
 
Dino246 said:
No; it says that the wages of sin is death. Wages are an obligation, what is deserved, as it states in Luke 10:7 "for the worker deserves his wages" and Romans 4:4 "Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation."


But it does not say that we deserved His love, nor do the other verses you posted.


Dead wrong. Just because God loves us does NOT mean that we deserve His love. Not even a little.

"If something is deserved, it has been earned by what somebody has done or how they have behaved" (Oxford Dictionary).

Our sin has earned death. We deserve death. Everything short of death is God's grace, mercy and love. It really is that simple.
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I've never heard the expression dead wrong before 🤕

But anyhow if God was to cut you off would he be showing you kindness at this point.

When i look at your theory and analyse it, I see somebody analysing why God should love and why he shouldn't.

I don't see any reason as why God loves you.

I have hard time understanding why people don't want to talk about why God has loved you.

Maybe it would help to talk about what God does love.
 
Dino246 said:
Look in the mirror and say that.


Firstly, you ain't God.

Secondly, I have not given you "a load of insults".

Thirdly, I have not asked you to show me the truth. I would never ask that of someone who has demonstrated a distinct lack of knowledge of the truth.
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Theese are all provocative insults.


I sense that you feal threatened or your in some kind rebellion over something.

But anyhow I hope you find peace.
 
Thunderrr-mental said:
I've never heard the expression dead wrong before 🤕

But anyhow if God was to cut you off would he be showing you kindness at this point.

When i look at your theory and analyse it, I see somebody analysing why God should love and why he shouldn't.

I don't see any reason as why God loves you.

I have hard time understanding why people don't want to talk about why God has loved you.

Maybe it would help to talk about what God does love.
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Maybe you should turn off your AI learning mode.
 
Dino246 said:
Maybe you should turn off your AI learning mode.
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no such thing as artificial intelligence.

Something artificial is made by human beings.

Something artificial is not
the real thing.

Intelligence is a real thing and you can't make it artificial.

You can make intelligence seem dumb. But that would be stupid not artificial.

On another note all this rubbish about artificial intelligence is created by humans

So its only human intelligence at the end of the day.

I personaly would think the only artificial thing at this moment is you playing Mr meany, it doesn't suit you really 😊
 
sawdust said:
But no-one ever said it wasn't God who made the difference and it was made quite clear the worthiness comes about in us because of Christ so why you had to disagree with something that was never spoken or implied makes me wonder why you even bothered saying anything in the first place?
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Because saying something like that destroys the cohesive flowing too actually teach something to be understood.

Its like trying to set up camp to secure it for the night and Apache Indians shoot arrows by your ears.

As long as that kind of attitude prevails in A FORUM, it destroys the ability to teach something in a manner that someone needing
the teaching would benefit from...

In other words? ..........

Those who do such things do not need to justify their impulsive approach..
For its designed to prevent good communication.

Its a cosmic world we live in....
 
Dino246 said:
I am not living in the past. I am recognizing the present reality that, short of God's mercy shown to us in the atoning death of Jesus Christ, we all deserve death.

He has taken death in our place, whereupon we don't deserve death less, we simply won't experience it. We still don't deserve anything else. :)
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We did not deserve death.
Rather, death was required.

When a dog gets rabies it does not deserve death.
It requires death.
 
Genez said:
That was an insult.

You are so misguided.
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well anyway good morning.

I can't remember the last time I had good morning around here as a result of speaking to you.

Every Time I speak to you, you say that I am something, same with Dino every time I speak to Dino he says I am something.


So then hes saying I will never insult you..
Now your saying I'm misguided for saying so.

You may as well both be telling me,

I have no life and I can be whom ever you and Dino both want me to be.

Now talking about being miss guided.


You keep going on about total depravity.

Well, When you keep telling people what they are, when there not something you say they are, this is giving a person total depravity and putting a person in to a little box along with everything else that fits in your box

Now when you constantly put something into a box like this.

The only type of will your demonstrating is. An imprisoned will.

And there simply is no way to escape Gods wrath

So whilst you might think that I live in you box.

I don't it's your box and you are imprisoned there.

I'm never going to be in your box ever


As your box is also your hole that you have dug for yourself

Now you may think,.with free will that you can pull me into your hole.

But no you can't because there is no such thing as human free will.


Now at the start of the conversation I asked you a polite question.

So now I'm asking again do you want to know where the whole of mankind has been imprisoned by God's will
 
Thunderrr-mental said:
You must have had a serious bang on your head if you don't think you've not given me any insults.

Either that or you just think everything you say is justified by your own superiority
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I wonder what it would be like to have a conversation with you where you focus on the thread topic.
 
Dino246 said:
I wonder what it would be like to have a conversation with you where you focus on the thread topic.
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Are you serious The author of the op hss raised over numerous positions to the topic.

Have you not Noticed how the original first post number 1 plays with words to suit his narrative.

Again this would be putting wisdom into a box
 
Do you believe in predestination ?

This is the million dollar question. Most in mans religions dont believe in this doctrine, or they believe it in a man centered way that deny the Sovereignty of God, but nevertheless its a Salvation Doctrine. In a book and chapter primarily about Salvation Paul writes Eph 1:3-6

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

Rom 8:28-30

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

There's no word of Salvation without predestination.
 
brightfame52 said:
Do you believe in predestination ?

This is the million dollar question. Most in mans religions dont believe in this doctrine, or they believe it in a man centered way that deny the Sovereignty of God, but nevertheless its a Salvation Doctrine. In a book and chapter primarily about Salvation Paul writes Eph 1:3-6

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

Rom 8:28-30

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

There's no word of Salvation without predestination.
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Do you believe God knew what man would do next before the fall
 
sawdust said:
I see. You respond to the poster with scripture completely out of context from what he was saying but I'm the one who needs to reread. Sure. ;)

I'm not sure doing something twice is actually considered a habit either but you have a nice day anyway.
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You need a vacation....
I told you not to take that job at day care. :)
 
Genez said:
More insulting I see....

:unsure: ..... why do insults bother us?
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This wasn't an insult this is how you've been behaving consistently.

You where told that how you where choosing to see how people have been chosen made no difference towards your point of view right at the beginning of your thread by @PennEd,

But you chose to ignore this.

He gave you sound advice in my view.

It's a shame you haven't listened
 
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