The non-elect cannot be born again because they are the non-select and the non-select are not like the elect who are born again.
Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.
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But the scripture states that the elect became the non-elect and the non-elect became the elect!
That's referring to God's chosen people rejecting the Messiah and as a result the Lord turned them over to a reprobate mind and offered salvation to the gentiles.
Do you deny that the Jews were the chosen people, the elect?
Matthew 15:24
But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
Jesus was never sent to the Gentiles, the non-elect.
Romans 9:4
Who are Israelites, to whom belongs the adoption as sons and daughters, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the Law, the temple service, and the promises.
The Gentile dogs were grafted in at a latter date after the Jews rejected their messiah.
Romans 11:11
I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? Far from it! But by their wrongdoing salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous.
I did not deny that they in fact are God's chosen people
Nothing in my posts suggests that I'm saying that.
This is true, but since the Jews rejected Jesus - the Gospel went out to the gentiles.
Romans 11:16-23
For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Once I got born again and became a new creature IN Christ, I'm not longer a dog.
You can be if you'd like though
The word of God says while we were yet dead in our sins, Christ died for us. Yes, He died for those who are going to hell. Your intellectual understanding can not comprehend the love of GOD.
The problem is you are trying to use human reasoning with that philosophy garbage. You think it's about me, LOL . its about the love of God that was given even to those who will go to hell.
First of all, you must identify who the "we" are
I looked long and hard to find any scriptures to support your private unbiblical view and I came up with a big fat ZERO.The problem is you are trying to use human reasoning with that philosophy garbage. You think it's about me, LOL . its about the love of God that was given even to those who will go to hell.
So I suggest you go back to the drawing board, and come back when you find something to prop up your theory.
Your home work is to fill in the gaping holes in your statement "while we were yet dead in our sins". Who are the we, by your private interpretation Satan Himself could be included in the "we".
Those of us who know we are the "we" will reject any suggestion that that includes any of those people God hates. We know God hates many He confirms it many passages of scripture. They are thew reprobate, who can never be saved no matter what they do.
There is nothing in the Bible to suggest that God loves anyone who He's going to cast into hell. But there are many passages where God says He hates those who are going to hell. It absolutely absurd to suggest God could love someone He who is going to hell. It's crystal clear that He hates the vast majority of mankind. Very few will be saved, the rest are condemned to hell.
Your meek and mild Jesus doesn't exist, He's coming back to cast billions into hell. He is coming back as a man of war, He never came to bring peace into the world the first time. He came to turn son against father, daughter against mother etc.
You need to stop misrepresenting God as some soft meek and mild hippie. I find that quite disturbing
FYI, we are those in the world whom God knows while we are still being formed in our mother's womb.
Or are suggesting God plan for those who are in the womb is hell? I am not misrepresenting anything. Also, name-calling in this setting just makes you a coward.
You did not look at all. You did not address the point of "human reasoning. " Sarcasm is not a part of valid Hermeneutics.
John 3:16 Jesus was speaking Did not say God so loved the elect He Died for them. The Lord Jesus said those who believe and call on HIS name.
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation,
that the light has come into the world,
and men loved darkness rather than light,
because their deeds were evil.
The Lord Jesus said, But you know better than he. What are you smoking, Hippie?
1 John 4:8
The one who does not love does not know God, because God is love.
Are you saying that God is not love?
The perfect sacrifice Jesus offered up was for all mankind.
Whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved, and that includes you.
The gift is available for everyone.
Please do not associate your anger towards others with God's anger.
God is righteous and His anger is a righteous anger.
Wrong, God said He knew everyone before He created the world. So your theory that He only became aware of our existence while we were in the womb doesn't make any sense at all.
There's no need to resort to name calling, just present your case and lets see if your private opinion lines up with what god actually said
What I'm saying is that God has many attributes. He is a jealous God. He is a God who hates some people before they're even born. He is a God who Loves Himself, and He is a God who loves those in His Son. God hasn't revealed much about Himself, so He remains a mystery.
We only know those things He revealed to us, He has hidden the rest from us.
It's extremely dangerous to add our view in order fill in those blanks which He has deliberately hidden from us.
God doesn't kill billions of men women and children and babies in the womb, because He loves them. It would utterly ridiculous to suggest that He does. My understanding is He does it because He hates them.
Yes, he said that, too, let's just leave it at that ok
I don't answer to you, nor you to me. You can't hold me to a false narrative, and I have presented the word of God as it is for all to see. If you don't agree, fine . I will not lose any sleep or need a safe space because you don't agree with me. I won't suggest you are a false teacher, or teaching false things because You don't agree You have the right to be wrong.
I see who and whoever which "we" are you talking about? in the context of John 3 Jesus is speaking to Nicodemus
and Telling him how one must be born again.
It is Jesus who said 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
The who, we, and whoever are those in the WORLD!
Jesus did not say Elect Jesus said "Whoever" in Greek " pas" whoever means: "WHOEVER."
- each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything
The problem is you don't have Jesus in the Equation. Yes, God is Jealous, But I said I did not want any to Parish.
God is not unjust in what He does; however, He can also change His mind by His word and actions. We see that in the very word of God. You are placing God in your box.
Your understanding of the revelation of the Christ is appalling.
Everything we can possibly know about God was fully realized in Jesus Christ.
Jesus spent His life forgiving, healing, teaching, and loving others.
Jesus ultimately had one key mission objective while visiting us. To sacrifice Himself for us.
Jesus was not like us, Jesus was perfectly sinless, Jesus was the author of life.
The creator suffered and gave His life to redeem His creation.
The one attribute of God that is beyond any debate in Christianity is that unconditional love. That God
demonstrated for His creation. Nothing compares to that divine unconditional love.
We do not have that divine unconditional love for others. We have a different primary attribute.
We sacrificed our creator on a cross, how do we measure up on that scale of love?
God is in control of everything across eternity, He knows what He is doing.
The world does not know or understand unconditional love!