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see once again the truth get revealed and once again it's rejected.
For 5 while pages I asked people to make the suggestion, knowing fine well if I had made the suggestion it would get rejected.
Well looky here then
That's exactly what's happening all over again..
Did they or did they not speak the truth in there fallen state.
Did they or did they not have the truth still in them in there fallen state.
Then when you can answer this.
Is the truth still in satan, and is he deserving of God love.
If ye can not answer theese questions with out disagreement then ye have no truth in you.
The truth was still in Adam and eve which made them still deserving Of God's love.
Do ye understand this
For 5 while pages I asked people to make the suggestion, knowing fine well if I had made the suggestion it would get rejected.
Well looky here then
That's exactly what's happening all over again..
Did they or did they not speak the truth in there fallen state.
Did they or did they not have the truth still in them in there fallen state.
Then when you can answer this.
Is the truth still in satan, and is he deserving of God love.
If ye can not answer theese questions with out disagreement then ye have no truth in you.
The truth was still in Adam and eve which made them still deserving Of God's love.
Do ye understand this
Your heart is set of disagreement,
But not only this your heart is set on getting in your cheap remarks where you can
Your prepared to support all the disrespectful behaviour being shown here in favor of what ever your own bias is..
I can only assume your bias is your a hardened Calvinist..
It's seems that hardened Calvinists are prepared to insult every Christian belief for favor of there own.
To me you seem no different.
I never knew calvinism was like this until just this last week.
But I have to say that after witnessing the way in which Calvinists defend there doctrine, to me is what I would call the most disrespectful attitude I have ever seen and witnessed here towards God.
The amount of scriptures that have been rejected here for favor of one man, 500 years ago is outstanding.
Dozens of clear understandings of God's character as long with dozens of clear understandings of scripture all lining up, are being rejected.
One scripture after the next and all scripture all saying the same thing, also rejected
Even scripture where God has warned people first rejected,
Even scripture where God has chosen people then rejected them, also rejected
Scripture proving what God loves and what he doesn't love rejected .
All in favor of free will
And God's love being unmerited.
Or Gods love only being for the elect
Or God love only being for the most deserving
Or in favor of dead people can't speak truth or believe or confess
All because John Calvin says differently,
Even when shown people dead in there trespasses, can do what's right or can speak the truth Or can confess, also rejected
Even then it's not enough.
Even when people with patience and tolerance, to keep putting up with all your insults, who keep showing all theese crazy Calvinist beliefs and hyper grace beliefs over and over again, with there time and effort to show you the truth.
It's still not enough. Also rejected.
And no doubt you'll post another rejection straight away when you read this.
But not only this your heart is set on getting in your cheap remarks where you can
Your prepared to support all the disrespectful behaviour being shown here in favor of what ever your own bias is..
I can only assume your bias is your a hardened Calvinist..
It's seems that hardened Calvinists are prepared to insult every Christian belief for favor of there own.
To me you seem no different.
I never knew calvinism was like this until just this last week.
But I have to say that after witnessing the way in which Calvinists defend there doctrine, to me is what I would call the most disrespectful attitude I have ever seen and witnessed here towards God.
The amount of scriptures that have been rejected here for favor of one man, 500 years ago is outstanding.
Dozens of clear understandings of God's character as long with dozens of clear understandings of scripture all lining up, are being rejected.
One scripture after the next and all scripture all saying the same thing, also rejected
Even scripture where God has warned people first rejected,
Even scripture where God has chosen people then rejected them, also rejected
Scripture proving what God loves and what he doesn't love rejected .
All in favor of free will
And God's love being unmerited.
Or Gods love only being for the elect
Or God love only being for the most deserving
Or in favor of dead people can't speak truth or believe or confess
All because John Calvin says differently,
Even when shown people dead in there trespasses, can do what's right or can speak the truth Or can confess, also rejected
Even then it's not enough.
Even when people with patience and tolerance, to keep putting up with all your insults, who keep showing all theese crazy Calvinist beliefs and hyper grace beliefs over and over again, with there time and effort to show you the truth.
It's still not enough. Also rejected.
And no doubt you'll post another rejection straight away when you read this.
No one said we "were" deserving.
What was said? Was that when grace and truth does its work in transforming a believer?
That the transformation that takes place is deserving of His love.
Now, God being omniscient? He knew while we were yet undeserving how He would transform us into being deserving.
Here is how we become deserving of His love in our experience if we mature in Christ....
Without being taught sound doctrine on a steady basis one can not experience what Paul was speaking about.
Paul did teach sound doctrine on a steady basis.
So 2 Cor 3:18 can only apply to those who have found a good pastor teacher. Many today have pastors who can
not teach sound doctrine on a regular basis.
2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not tolerate sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them
a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
The more we become transformed into His image by the transformation of our thinking?
By means of sound doctrinal teaching?
The more we are made able (by grace) to experience the Love of God in our walk.
Keep in mind. Its not what God initially saved.
Its what we who are being transformed into after salvation that deserves His love!
In contrast..
Those who walk outside of grace?
Those who keep failing to transform into His image?
These ones can not know they have become what is deserving of God's love.
Usually, such as these resort to religion as a means to keep working for God's love....
Religion has infiltrated the Church for that reason, and has split it up into many denominations.
in Christ ............
What was said? Was that when grace and truth does its work in transforming a believer?
That the transformation that takes place is deserving of His love.
Now, God being omniscient? He knew while we were yet undeserving how He would transform us into being deserving.
Here is how we become deserving of His love in our experience if we mature in Christ....
We all, with unveiled faces, are looking as in a mirror at the glory of the Lord
and are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory; this is
from the Lord who is the Spirit." 2 Cor 3:18
Without being taught sound doctrine on a steady basis one can not experience what Paul was speaking about.
Paul did teach sound doctrine on a steady basis.
So 2 Cor 3:18 can only apply to those who have found a good pastor teacher. Many today have pastors who can
not teach sound doctrine on a regular basis.
2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not tolerate sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them
a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
The more we become transformed into His image by the transformation of our thinking?
By means of sound doctrinal teaching?
The more we are made able (by grace) to experience the Love of God in our walk.
Keep in mind. Its not what God initially saved.
Its what we who are being transformed into after salvation that deserves His love!
In contrast..
Those who walk outside of grace?
Those who keep failing to transform into His image?
These ones can not know they have become what is deserving of God's love.
Usually, such as these resort to religion as a means to keep working for God's love....
Religion has infiltrated the Church for that reason, and has split it up into many denominations.
in Christ ............
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Despite being shown That God did not know what man would do next before the fall for many good reason and scripture showing that so, and despite being shown that There is no proof to say it was Satan in the garden, your still determined to prove other wise, even tho you have been clearly shown your understanding is not full proof.
Your still using the omniscient argument.
There is a clear difference to what was omniscient to God after the fall, as to that what was omniscient to God before the fall.
Your still using the omniscient argument.
There is a clear difference to what was omniscient to God after the fall, as to that what was omniscient to God before the fall.
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A number have balked at the very idea as if they merited His love, and speak as if they too are capable
of unconditional love, when clearly, they are not. One went so far as to say "God may have helped some
along", perhaps thinking they somehow managed to surrender their self-will to God's, all on their own,
with no help from Him at all. And you yourself have chided, scolded, and mocked me for not saying
I deserve His love, as if I need you as a teacher in this matter. I do not. We are not like Him, yet.
of unconditional love, when clearly, they are not. One went so far as to say "God may have helped some
along", perhaps thinking they somehow managed to surrender their self-will to God's, all on their own,
with no help from Him at all. And you yourself have chided, scolded, and mocked me for not saying
I deserve His love, as if I need you as a teacher in this matter. I do not. We are not like Him, yet.
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation;
old things have passed away; behold, all things have
become new." 2 Corinthians 5:17
You keep telling me that the new creation in Christ is undeserving.....
What you keep claiming is a lie against God's workmanship in salvation.
In Christ .............
Here is what you said, and it was echoed by another who spat insults and false accusations at me repeatedly:
Jesus is worthy. I put on His righteousness. I have said that a number of times. Does that make me deserving? You seem to think it does you. I am well aware of God's unconditional love. I have mentioned it a number of times, and the fact that people think they can do likewise when obviously they cannot has also been mentioned. You do not either, nor do you extend grace to others, as evidenced in your last post to me, again telling lies about what I have said, claiming I have said something a number of times that I have never said once.
Jesus is worthy. I put on His righteousness. I have said that a number of times. Does that make me deserving? You seem to think it does you. I am well aware of God's unconditional love. I have mentioned it a number of times, and the fact that people think they can do likewise when obviously they cannot has also been mentioned. You do not either, nor do you extend grace to others, as evidenced in your last post to me, again telling lies about what I have said, claiming I have said something a number of times that I have never said once.
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You keep telling us that the new creation in Christ is undeserving.....
What you keep claiming is a lie against God's workmanship in our salvation.
In Christ .............
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation;
old things have passed away; behold, all things have
become new." 2 Cor 5:17
You keep telling us that the new creation in Christ is undeserving.....
What you keep claiming is a lie against God's workmanship in our salvation.
In Christ .............
People who confess there sins are deserving Of God love
People who speak the truth to God are deserving of God love.
People who seek his wisdom for his purposes are deserving of God's love.
People who don't do this do not get the same love, what is so difficult about this to understand.
People who speak the truth to God are deserving of God love.
People who seek his wisdom for his purposes are deserving of God's love.
People who don't do this do not get the same love, what is so difficult about this to understand.
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