The hatred of Jews

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ThereRoseaLamb

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Now on to the future...

11 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come (future) out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.(future)

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?

35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?

36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
 

Moses_Young

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I said:
"God does not condone their rejection of Jesus as their Messiah, but He does support the Jews being in the land and He supports the existence of the modern state of Israel "
That's your interpretation. Another interpretation would be that God supports Christians in the land, as we Christians have a more direct claim to "Jewishness" than today's so-called Jews.

Romans 2:28 - 29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Either way, God does not condone murder or pedophilia, so to suggest that scripture implies this simply because one identifies as a Jew is a heresy and blasphemy.

And you seem to think the Lord does not actually want the Jews in the land which is actual heresy since we know God promised in His Word that the land belongs to the descendants of Abraham.
The promises of God to Abraham are fulfilled in Christ. Christ is the seed of Abraham, and God's promises to Christ are ours through Christ - to all who believe, both Jew and Gentile.

It is you that has a problem with the Jews which is antisemitism.
You seem to have a problem with me because I am a Jew. Are you an antisemite? Or do you simply have a legitimate disagreement with me, which has nothing to do with whether I am Jewish or not?

I'm not the antisemite in this conversation.
See above. Are you an antisemite because you disagree with me?

Jesus still loves the Jews, but the antisemite wouldn't know that.
"For God so loved the world..." This does not mean Hell-fire does not await those who refuse the salvation offered through faith in His son.

The Lord is being merciful to them because He is merciful.
You can't have mercy without justice. To make-believe God is going to save Jews who reject Christ is a dangerous heresy.
 
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Kingdom of God is a place to kill anyone who is not Jew on the land of Promised land.
Do you agree with this view?
If you don't agree.Please tell your theory.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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That's your interpretation. Another interpretation would be that God supports Christians in the land, as we Christians have a more direct claim to "Jewishness" than today's so-called Jews.
Either way, God does not condone murder or pedophilia, so to suggest that scripture implies this simply because one identifies as a Jew is a heresy and blasphemy. .
No, the church doesn't replace the Jews. All kinds of Scripture I posted just said so. Your comment is just factually untrue. The land was promised, then regathering, then repentance. And for you to suggest that because one is a Jew that they are guilty of murder or pedophilia is way off the charts.

The promises of God to Abraham are fulfilled in Christ. Christ is the seed of Abraham, and God's promises to Christ are ours through Christ - to all who believe, both Jew and Gentile.
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But the land promise was specific to the Jewish people and God will fulfill that promise.


"For God so loved the world..." This does not mean Hell-fire does not await those who refuse the salvation offered through faith in His son.

You can't have mercy without justice. To make-believe God is going to save Jews who reject Christ is a dangerous heresy
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Blinded for a time Romans 11
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Kingdom of God is a place to kill anyone who is not Jew on the land of Promised land.
Do you agree with this view?
If you don't agree.Please tell your theory.
The kingdom of God has not yet come.
 

HeIsHere

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We pray "thy kingdom come" it will happen in the future.
These words were stated before the death and resurrection of Jesus. Scripture has an unfolding in time that must be understood.
And again Romans 11 is not in our future, it was in the future of the people to whom it was written.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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These words were stated before the death and resurrection of Jesus. Scripture has an unfolding in time that must be understood.
And again Romans 11 is not in our future, it was in the future of the people to whom it was written.
We are and will see it fulfilled if we are saved that is.
 

Moses_Young

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No, the church doesn't replace the Jews. All kinds of Scripture I posted just said so. Your comment is just factually untrue. The land was promised, then regathering, then repentance.
Straw man. The Church is grafted into the Vine, who is Christ. Scripture doesn't say the Church replaces the Jews - the Church are the true Jews. Do you understand the difference between replacement and connection? The Jews don't replace the (true) Church anymore than the Church replaces the (true) Jews. One branch doesn't replace another - all are grafted in. Don't confuse the Vine (Christ) with the Jews in Christ (those branches grafted to Him), or worse, the Jews not in Christ (who have been cut off through unbelief).

And for you to suggest that because one is a Jew that they are guilty of murder or pedophilia is way off the charts.
It was your side that suggested this, by claiming Jewish hatred is increasing. One of the few groups claiming this to be true is the hate group known as the ADL, which was formed because they believed that claiming to be a Jew should be enough to pardon one from the just punishments associated with such wickedness as pedophilia and murder. These are the same type of people claiming Trump supporters to be fascists. Please don't create yet another straw man by stating I said something I didn't - obviously, most Jews are not pedophiles or murderers. But those who are should not be given lesser sentences or acquitted because they identify as Jews.

But the land promise was specific to the Jewish people and God will fulfill that promise.
Paul makes this very clear in Galatians 3:16

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

The promised "seed" is Jesus, not the Jews. The synagogue of Satan would love for you to believe they are the Messiah, and the promises apply to them. But they are a false Messiah. The scriptures prophesy of Jesus.

Blinded for a time Romans 11
Whether this passage refers to those Jews in the past who became the Church, or perhaps Jews in the future who will become Christians, speaking the truth is not hatred.
 

Mem

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That's everyone's go to thing when someone does not agree with therm - "you're using a strawman argument"

How come the ladies don't call this sexist and insist that sometimes it is a straw woman argument?
They are more secure about it because they are well stacked.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Straw man. The Church is grafted into the Vine, who is Christ. Scripture doesn't say the Church replaces the Jews - the Church are the true Jews. Do you understand the difference between replacement and connection?
God has promises to keep to the Jews. Romans, you know the rest.

It was your side that suggested this, by claiming Jewish hatred is increasing.
Are Jewish students usually trapped in a library with haters banging on the doors to get to them?


One of the few groups claiming this to be true is the hate group known as the ADL, which was formed because they believed that claiming to be a Jew should be enough to pardon one from the just punishments associated with such wickedness as pedophilia and murder.
Facts?! I have never heard anyone call the ADL a hate group,nor the rest of what you said,


These are the same type of people claiming Trump supporters to be fascists. Please don't create yet another straw man by stating I said something I didn't - obviously, most Jews are not pedophiles or murderers. But those who are should not be given lesser sentences or acquitted because they identify as Jews.
Ugh can we ban the term straw man, it's annoying. No one said they should be. But I don't have any facts about the reason the ADL was started. So far I simply have you claiming it to be true.

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
The promised "seed" is Jesus, not the Jews. The synagogue of Satan would love for you to believe they are the Messiah, and the promises apply to them. But they are a false Messiah. The scriptures prophesy of Jesus.
Where have I ever said Jesus was not the Messiah? The verses make it clear that God made promises through Abe that He will keep. He swore an oath to keep! I showed the verses that shows the promise was passed down to each generation, to you and your seed. God will keep His promise to the Jews.

Whether this passage refers to those Jews in the past who became the Church, or perhaps Jews in the future who will become Christians, speaking the truth is not hatred.
It is speaking of now. God has always had a plan to bring His chosen back to Him. He will fulfill that promise.
 

wolfwint

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Straw man. The Church is grafted into the Vine, who is Christ. Scripture doesn't say the Church replaces the Jews - the Church are the true Jews. Do you understand the difference between replacement and connection? The Jews don't replace the (true) Church anymore than the Church replaces the (true) Jews. One branch doesn't replace another - all are grafted in. Don't confuse the Vine (Christ) with the Jews in Christ (those branches grafted to Him), or worse, the Jews not in Christ (who have been cut off through unbelief).

It was your side that suggested this, by claiming Jewish hatred is increasing. One of the few groups claiming this to be true is the hate group known as the ADL, which was formed because they believed that claiming to be a Jew should be enough to pardon one from the just punishments associated with such wickedness as pedophilia and murder. These are the same type of people claiming Trump supporters to be fascists. Please don't create yet another straw man by stating I said something I didn't - obviously, most Jews are not pedophiles or murderers. But those who are should not be given lesser sentences or acquitted because they identify as Jews.

Paul makes this very clear in Galatians 3:16

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

The promised "seed" is Jesus, not the Jews. The synagogue of Satan would love for you to believe they are the Messiah, and the promises apply to them. But they are a false Messiah. The scriptures prophesy of Jesus.

Whether this passage refers to those Jews in the past who became the Church, or perhaps Jews in the future who will become Christians, speaking the truth is not hatred.
Then dont be to shure! As you are gravtet into the vine, you can also be removed. Israel is still Gods people. And the time will come they accept Jesus Christ as their saviour.
Church and the 12 tribes of Israel are not the same. Maby you should read Romans chapter 11 again!
 

PennEd

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Many of us believe that the only vestige remaining holding back Judgement on USA was the defense, albeit not always absolute, of Israel.

Is THIS the final straw? Time will tell.

“The USA has retracted its consistent position that a ceasefire and the release of the hostages must be connected, which it demonstrated just a few days ago.”

“In a previous resolution, Russia and China vetoed a call for a ceasefire because they support a ceasefire without the release of the hostages. The current resolution was supported by Russia, China, Algeria, and other countries.”

“The USA did not veto a new wording of the resolution that calls for a ceasefire without the release of the hostages.”

Prime Minister's Office: 'USA changed position, no delegation to Washington' | Israel National News - Arutz Sheva
 
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It doesn't make any sense to say these UN resolutions.The United Nations has also adopted a two-state solution for Palestine and Israel.Let the war solve the problem.Either the Palestinians are massacred, or Hamas will fight for permanent founding and peace.
Now that God's laws and teachings have become arguments,Then solve it in Satan's way.
 
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Many of us believe that the only vestige remaining holding back Judgement on USA was the defense, albeit not always absolute, of Israel.

Is THIS the final straw? Time will tell.

“The USA has retracted its consistent position that a ceasefire and the release of the hostages must be connected, which it demonstrated just a few days ago.”

“In a previous resolution, Russia and China vetoed a call for a ceasefire because they support a ceasefire without the release of the hostages. The current resolution was supported by Russia, China, Algeria, and other countries.”

“The USA did not veto a new wording of the resolution that calls for a ceasefire without the release of the hostages.”

Prime Minister's Office: 'USA changed position, no delegation to Washington' | Israel National News - Arutz Sheva
China voted against it because this ceasefire agreement is only temporary.Can never solve the problem.Jews can't convince everyone with one Bible,The United Nations is based on materialism,Not biblical theology.Most people accept humanitarianism.And historical inheritance.Especially when Jews take out a Bible at the United Nations,This is the most ridiculous thing,They won't even read the so-called Holy Bible themselves.They actually serve Satan:An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.Jewish ambassador at the Israeli embassy wrote it in Chinese.This is something I experienced personally.