Predestination is misunderstood...

[sawdust]

So what was deserving of God's love when you where dead in your trespasses.

Nothing, God loved us because that is who He is.

I hope you don't have children. if you only love them because they deserve it? God help them.

 

[Magenta]

I think you are missing his point Magenta. You are not worthy in your fallen state but to call yourself unworthy once you are in Christ is an insult to God because he has made you worthy through the virtue of His Son. You are now to identify with the Son, we have been made one with Him. When you don't see the Son in yourself, you are not pleasing God, it is a false humility.

I spent the first half of my life being made to feel guilty whether I was or not. I know how difficult it can be to come out of that mindset of constant condemnation but the Lord is patient and kind and will lead you into His contentment if you learn His word and apply it. Do not hang your head but lift it up and see the great salvation we have in the Lord.

Romans 8:1
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,

I think it is you who misses the point. To speak of none being deserving of the love He lavishes on us is exactly speaking to the fallen state of man. It is the fallen man He saves due to His everlasting love for us. What need of the righteous for a saviour? Jesus basically said the same thing. “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

 

[HeIsHere]

The purpose of asking a question is to get an answer, not to give the answer a way.

I would say this is not true at all.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Nothing, God loved us because that is who He is.

I hope you don't have children. if you only love them because they deserve it? God help them.

my question was not about how I love my children.

And it was not about how you can insult me.

The question was what was deserving of Gods love for you when you where dead in your trespasses

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

I would say this is not true at all.

oh if you say so.

How old are you 😊

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Nothing, God loved us because that is who He is.

I hope you don't have children. if you only love them because they deserve it? God help them.

what is deserving of God loves for you if you don't repent.

Better still why does God's kindness lead you to repentance.

 

[HeIsHere]

Nothing, God loved us because that is who He is.

I hope you don't have children. if you only love them because they deserve it? God help them.

I cannot understand why the word "deserve" is being brought into a conversation about love.

You have made a statement/observation that is totally, exactly and completely right!

 

[sawdust]

I think it is you who misses the point. To speak of none being deserving of the love He lavishes on us is exactly speaking to the fallen state of man. It is the fallen man He saves due to His everlasting love for us. What need of the righteous for a saviour? Jesus basically said the same thing. “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

He doesn't love us because we are worthy or not worthy, He loves us because that is who He is and He has made us worthy in Christ.

You're welcome to continue hanging your head and beating your chest if you want "but do not call unclean what God has made clean". No-one will get brownie points for false humility.

 

[Magenta]

He doesn't love us because we are worthy or not worthy, He loves us because that is who He is and He has made us worthy in Christ.

You're welcome to continue hanging your head and beating your chest if you want "but do not call unclean what God has made clean". No-one will get brownie points for false humility.

Well I am not doing what you falsely accuse me of. You have a nasty habit of doing that.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

I cannot understand why the word "deserve" is being brought into a conversation about love.

You have made a statement/observation that is totally, exactly and completely right!

And you approve peoples comments because your in disagreement with somebody.

And you also approved his comment even know he was giving the biggest insult you could possibly give to a parent


I'm not impressed at all by this

 

[sawdust]

my question was not about how I love my children.

And it was not about how you can insult me.

The question was what was deserving of Gods love for you when you where dead in your trespasses

Nothing. God loves because that is who He is. Come back when you have learned what that means.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Nothing. God loves because that is who He is. Come back when you have learned what that means.

are you sure your taking his love for granted here.

 

[sawdust]

Well I am not doing what you falsely accuse me of. You have a nasty habit of doing that.

You are the one who said you are unworthy so don't accuse me of of making false accusations when I am simply repeating what you have said.

So which is it? Are you worthy or not? It's true to say you were (past tense) unworthy but to call yourself unworthy now (in the present) when you have the righteousness of Christ? You are calling unclean what God has made clean.

Wake up to who you are in Christ.

 

[HeIsHere]

And you approve peoples comments because your in disagreement with somebody.

And you also approved his comment even know he was giving the biggest insult you could possibly give to a parent


I'm not impressed at all by this

I take what she stated as an illustration of the correct view and a good analogy.

If you are insulted then you really do not believe what you are asserting because you know that you love your children regardless of whether they deserve it and regardless of their character.

Love is giving end of story, no strings attached.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Nothing. God loves because that is who He is. Come back when you have learned what that means.

so when you where dead in your trespasses, and God still loved you.

Would he have carried on loving you for eternity if you never repented

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

I take what he stated as an illustration of the correct view and a good analogy.

If you are insulted then you really do not believe what you are asserting because you know that you love your children regardless of whether they deserve it and regardless of their character.

Love is giving end of story, no strings attached.

obviously you couldn't care less about the insult he just made, and you being a parent should know what he just insulted parents with.

But no your to busy trying to win an argument.

Well now you've crossed the line with our friendship

 

[Magenta]

You are the one who said you are unworthy so don't accuse me of of making false accusations when I am simply repeating what you have said.

So which is it? Are you worthy or not? It's true to say you were (past tense) unworthy but to call yourself unworthy now (in the present) when you have the righteousness of Christ? You are calling unclean what God has made clean.

Wake up to who you are in Christ.

I did not say that in the context you have claimed. Just like your other false accusations, you fail to comprehend
plain English, misconstrue what I say, and then accuse me of saying and doing things I have not.
I am not sure what your problem is, but it is clear you have one. Good bye.

 

[Blain]

I accept your correction in the sense that when peoole say spit the truth, it is a figure of speech, so maybe i should of just accepted this is all he meant.

But with other people, they have said to me, your truth does not mean spit to me.

So whilst I may have been wrong to say to him don't ask me to spit the truth out and don't think of the truth as spit without asking him what intension where, quite often when I ask what people what there intension is directly in here over what they've said, oftenni get a load more spit back.

So whilst I recognise your correction and whilst I'm always willing to listen to you anytime you need to correct me.

I'm never not going to not speak to you as if your word means nothing.

There was a reason why I was firm in response, and now you've seen his unwillingness to let things go and escalate things.

You've also seen his unwillingness to have no regard for his fellow brother with the rest of his cheap remarks.

So my response was firm in getting to know his intension

I only give people the benefit so many times before becoming firm in my responses,

I have given him the benefit and a chance umpteen times before becoming firm with him.

There is nothing wrong with being firm iften times in this day and age people grew up in their beliefs they don't know any better Jesus was firm but the sarcasm and any kind of mockery is what is needed to be gotten rid of. you can be firm make them feel that conviction but any mockery any sarcasms anything other than how Jesus did it will only stoke the fire it basically deludes the truth you were trying to speak

Plenty try to justify how the act and speak they try to justify the debates as speaking truth but we have seen the results the peacekeepers the ones who show his love not giving into the tempation of responding in an unloving masnner those are the ones who may be few but they create a curiosity.

Remember how you said you wondered how one who was attacked and mocked yet was still a blessing? you spoke the answer and yes it won't be easy anyone going on this path most likely will not be recieved but for the few it es reach that is how we make the change

this place has a I am right you are wrong mentallity but it is how we respond it is the heart they see that will make the difference.

Being firm is required but if we add any ill will in it then it only causes more strife and trust me I by no means have any room to talk I am still lrarning and growing in this but the point of it all is to bring to body together as a wjole to change how we thought we knew and understaood but it is going to require us to really look at ourselves see and understand where we act according to the world and the generally way we respond compared to how many others on here do.

And granted I cannot see well I often times mix what people say compared to others and in this regard I have more than once lost dear friends because of this I can only hope that the spirit speaks to the spirit that my intentions can be known and heard not my words as they cannot always be taken as they are

But I came back on here to bring unity to hope that his love would wash over all in this forum and I cannot do it on my own I understand I am washed up by many on here but only love only understanding only responding in kindness and peace will make the fires of this place calm down no sarcasm no mocking or name calling be firm but be firm in in the truth

 

[sawdust]

so when you where dead in your trespasses, and God still loved you.

Would he have carried on loving you for eternity if you never repented

Do you know what love is? Specifically when we speak of God's love. And don't just say you know, tell us what love means, how it is applied and works out in life.

 

[sawdust]

I did not say that in the context you have claimed. Just like your other false accusations, you fail to comprehend
plain English, misconstrue what I say, and then accuse me of saying and doing things I have not.
I am not sure what your problem is, but it is clear you have one. Good bye.

Look, I'm not the one with a problem here. @Genez tried to explain to you that unworthiness is a thing of the past and you responded with your catty remark of:

You can pretend you are worthy and deserving if you like

... when you had misunderstood what he was saying to you. I tried to explain you misunderstood and all I got back from you was more catty hiss, hiss, hiss.

Go do your spraying somewhere else because I'm putting you on ignore.