Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

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Cameron143 said:
The reason I asked was because if hell exists to temporarily house people, I wanted to know if you believe they are there because of their sin or for some other reason.
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I already said they are condemned for unbelief in the One Who paid the sin debt... I gave the Scripture verse (John 3:18).

Did you mean the lake of fire?
 
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The argument that willful sinners who refuse Christ's payment will still inherit eternal life overlooks the necessity of repentance and a living faith
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When Christ is someones Saviour He gives them repentance and forgiveness of sins Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

His exaltation was to give repentance so sinners. So if one never repents, then He didnt die for them, because that would tarnish His Death and Exaltation to the Right Hand and with the Right Hand
 
tylerbones1313 said:
If they by their own choice, in willful ignorance die in a state of sin dominating them than, yes.

The belief that individuals who have their sins paid for but still end up in hell, particularly those who willfully continue in sin and refuse to accept Christ's payment for their sins, contradicts core biblical teachings on salvation and repentance. According to Christian doctrine, salvation is offered through faith in Jesus Christ, as stated in Ephesians 2:8-9, "8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast." This passage emphasizes that salvation is a gift from God, received through faith, not through human efforts or moral perfection.

However, accepting this gift of salvation involves repentance and a transformation of life, which is a turning away from sin and toward God. 1 John 1:6 "6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:" This suggests that a genuine acceptance of Christ's sacrifice is incompatible with a willful continuation in sin. Furthermore, Jesus himself calls for repentance, saying in Luke 13:3, "3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." Repentance is therefore a crucial aspect of true faith.

The argument that willful sinners who refuse Christ's payment will still inherit eternal life overlooks the necessity of repentance and a living faith that bears fruit in a changed life (James 2:17). While Christ's sacrifice is indeed sufficient to pay for all sin, the Bible teaches that this gift must be received through faith, accompanied by repentance and a sincere commitment to follow Jesus. Rejecting this offer of salvation, therefore, has eternal consequences, as affirmed in John 3:18, which states, "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son." This underscores the idea that faith in Christ is not merely intellectual assent but involves a transformation of the heart and life that turns away from sin and toward God.

The biblical narrative presents a holistic view of salvation that involves both faith in Christ's sacrifice and a repentant life that seeks to follow Him. The claim that individuals can willfully persist in sin, refuse the offer of salvation through Christ, and still receive eternal life contradicts the essential biblical teachings on the nature of faith, repentance, and salvation. The Bible clearly teaches that a genuine acceptance of Christ’s sacrifice necessarily involves turning away from sin and living a life that reflects the transformative power of the Gospel.
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I appreciate your answer. So, if I follow correctly, your argument is that Jesus paid for every sin, people continue to sin, those sins are also paid for, but God sends them to hell anyway. Is this justice? Did God keep the covenant He made with the Son?
 
Cameron143 said:
Unbelief is a sin. Men everywhere are commanded to believe according to Paul in Acts 17.
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Magenta said:
I already said they are condemned for unbelief in the One Who paid the sin debt... I gave the Scripture verse (John 3:18).

Did you mean the lake of fire?
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I'm using the term hell generically, as a place of judgment.
Is unbelief a sin?
 
Cameron143 said:
I'm using the term hell generically, as a place of judgment.
Is unbelief a sin?
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I think it is generally understood that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit of God is the only unforgivable sin, taken in today's day and age to mean unbelief, for it is a denial of the work of God in a person's life, convicting them of their sinful standing before a just and holy God. Perhaps I should have said I hope it is generally understood. Much is not agreed upon by those who call themselves Christian...

Does judgment not happen after the resurrection of all at the end of this age?
 
Mem said:
Earlier, the terms "debtor and debtee" struck me as off, and now I realize why. It was because Jesus was not the debtee.
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The beauty of it all is that out of His great and everlasting love for us, Jesus agreed to pay regardless, yes? .:)
 
brightfame52 said:
He so loved the world that He Loved and died for His Own in the world Jn 13:1

Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.
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Well, yes…. because those who would not accept Jesus’ call, doomed themselves. Even before the foundation of the world, they were never His sheep. Their father was the devil. Here it is in John 8:44-45:
"You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. "But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me.
 
Magenta said:
I think it is generally understood that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit of God is the only unforgivable sin, taken in today's day and age to mean unbelief, for it is a denial of the work of God in a person's life, convicting them of their sinful standing before a just and holy God.

Does judgment not happen after the resurrection of all at the end of this age?
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Final judgment yes. But consequences of sin is judgment as well.
Do you believe unbelief is the unforgivable sin? If so, wouldn't we all be guilty of the sin of unbelief?
 
Cameron143 said:
Final judgment yes. But consequences of sin is judgment as well.
Do you believe unbelief is the unforgivable sin? If so, wouldn't we all be guilty of the sin of unbelief?
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Are you an unbeliever? Did God's plan not already include the fact that we are saved from the
consequence of sin by repentance? Repentance being the thing that unbelievers do not do.
Even Paul said he had been guilty of blasphemy, but he repented by believing on Jesus.
 
brightfame52 said:
Then you dont believe Jesus death saves from such sinfulness.
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Who are you to assume what I do and do not believe. Let me try this analogy. You have a 1 TON ball and chain (willful ignorant domination of sin) attached to you feet in the ocean, with no scuba diving equipment of any kind. God offers you a way out from drowning and want to remove the chains (offer of Salvation). You say no thanks you sink to the bottom and drown. End of Story.
 
Cameron143 said:
Final judgment yes. But consequences of sin is judgment as well.
Do you believe unbelief is an unforgivable sin? If so, wouldn't we all be guilty of the sin of unbelief?
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unbelief is a sin. And we are all guilty of sin, yet Christ took our punishment :) but if you do not believe that you are not saved.
 
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