Why didn’t Jonah just jump off the boat?
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Again, I'm not so sure. You surely are talking about a perfect human, and those Christians claiming that, like the rich young man from the elite class, are focused on avoiding doing bad things, rather than considering whether they are doing all the good things they are called to. Sins of omission are much harder to be free from.
Additionally we can note that the apostle Paul indicated that God allowed a thorn in his side to remain in order to keep him humble, since he had such an important role in the early church. We know illness or accident for a proud person can be used by God to bring humility and sensitivity. And since God is sovereign, and scripture is clear that he chooses to interact with this world, he can ensure perfect health for an individual if he wishes to. But often, in his grace, he uses the bad things that happen to us for our good. Again, the apostle Paul attests to that of course.
Yes, we are appointed to die physically once, that does not mean it's God's will that His people live in sickness and disease.
He provided for us to have healing at the Cross but sadly most Christians don't believe that and don't stand on God's promises on this topic and many get sick and needlessly die early
You should be because God's Word teaches us about this.
No, I'm talking about those that see God's promises and stand on those promises and grow in faith to receive what God promised as a reality in their lives.
That was not sickness and disease, it was the devil opposing him and causing trouble for him every where he went.
He asked God to get the devil off of him in error - Paul apparently had not learned what Jesus said to do about the devil which is cast him out in Jesus Name
Mark 16:17
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Jesus never taught anyone to pray and ask the Lord to get the devil off of them. Paul eventually figured this out as we see in the last part of the Book of Acts where he lived in a rented house no man forbidding him to preach the Gospel.
Paul is not Jesus so Paul made some mistakes and had to learn the error of his ways as he grew spiritually just like the rest of us.
Besides, Jesus is the model we are called to follow and Jesus said the devil had nothing in Him. Until Jesus willingly laid down His life to die on the Cross, the devil thought Jesus was teflon don because all his attacks against Jesus failed.
The devil is so very glad to hear that some folk believe this! This is an open door for him to bring destruction in to people's lives due to believing it is God doing evil things to people.
John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
God is good and wants good things for His children.
The devil is bad and wants to bring destruction to God's people.
Those that don't understand this are wide open for deception and destruction.
Sounds like what the calvinists teach, that God and satan are the same guy!
Their false doctrine make God in to a monster!
Sure we will all die eventually and age does cause the body to not be as strong as it was when we were young.
That does not mean I have to put up with sickness and disease in my life. I don't, and no Christian should that knows how to obtain God's promises concerning health.
decay - the process of your body waning with age - is different from sickness and disease how exactly?
it's death. it's the result of the cursing of the dust, from which our bodies are formed.
why is it significant that Moses had not lost his eyesight or strength? why did Satan want to know where his body is?
where did God promise that our earthly bodies would not be subject to disease?
good health is nothing more than dying slightly slower.
perhaps this needs it's own thread.
This may be a case where the KJV translators got it wrong. The text could be punctuated differently.
John 9:3-4 Jesus answered, "Neither has this man sinned, nor his parents. But that the works of God should be manifest in him, I must work the works of him who sent me, while it is day. Night comes, when no man can work. As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world."
What makes us a better Christian is the way we choose to treat the views of people who have perspectives on scripture they cannot prove but we cannot disprove. Are we gracious and patient and keeping an open mind? Or are we combative because we have a prideful heart and their idea being true would make my idea wrong?
All these questions produce strife / opposition between you and the Lord's promises that are found in Christ Jesus. A double minded man receives nothing from the Lord (James 1:5-8)
I've been bought with a price, not my own therefore I'm called to glorify God in my body (1 Corinthians 6:20) which is the temple of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:19)
There are a lot of people in our world today that are healthy their entire lives before they die at 90 or 100 and this is how a Christian that knows how to rightly divide the Word of God should go as they have learned how to access God's Wisdom to receive His promises.
But hay, it's no problem for me if some folk want to receive sickness and die a long drawn out horrible, painful, expensive death in a nursing home where they let people just lay their and rot. Folks get what they want.
Wow, I thought you were a student of God's Word?
Why not pop over to your favorite search engine and do some searching and find scriptures where the Lord promises healing to His people!
Why not go by what God promises rather than unbelief which is making the decision to NOT believe God's promises?
Jesus upbraided (correction) those that did not believe God's Word.
Since we know ultimately it's the devil that opposes God's Word and continually seeks to get people to agree with his opposition to God's Word - no, I'm not interested in keeping an open mind to opposition to God's Word.
So many that say they are Christians just straight up decide to not believe many of the things God says in His Word because they've been listening to the devil who speak to them thru false teachers, friends and family.
One cannot be a victorious Christian and pay attention to voices that continually speak opposition against God's Word.
This is Christianity 101, let God be true and everyone else a liar unless they are quoting what God said.
God is right, everyone else is wrong. Very simple!
i, post, posted a new thread. let's post posts to post there; this is off topic.
should show up in an hour or so whenever a mod approves.
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good news gives health to the bones (Proverbs 15:30)
Isn't this a valid promise from the Lord?
yes!
it's the promise of resurrection.
thanks for getting back on the Jonah topic
It says "gives health to the bones" so this is a promise for healthy bones, and has nothing to do with resurrection
Jonah didn't just jump off the boat because he did not want to get his Armani Tunic wet
Jonah didn't just jump off the boat because he did not want to get his Armani Tunic wet
hmm plausible, however this does not track with him saying "throw me off the boat"
the word bones in scripture is associated with dead bodies, not osteoporosis.
and "good news" with the gospel, which is the appearing, death and resurrection of Christ.
In other words he is not willing to jump on his own for whatever reason
That's your opinion as you read in to this scripture something it never says.
Proverbs 4:20-23 (see John 8:51, Proverbs 5:1,2, James 1:22… Most Christians don’t do this – BIG MISTAKE!)
Attend to My words; incline your ear unto My sayings....let them not depart from your eyes; keep them in the midst of your heart....for they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh....keep your heart with all diligence; for out of it flow the forces of life.
*Nobody can say this is just spiritual as the Lord specifically says in this passage
His Word is health to all our flesh very clearly speaking about our body.
But, you are welcome to reject the Lord's promises as it sounds like you already have. Enjoy!
This I find interesting. Some years back when I first heard that the New Testament was written without punctuation it got my mind going. So I dug in and it was in the 3rd century BC that the Greeks started punctuation believe first was the comma.
I theorize that the problem arose because as you conquered new peoples and pushed for assimilation by culture and language. There is gonna be some disconnect in the process. I have never had time to really research if that is the case or not. However, it was noticed that as Greek was being read aloud in forums and public gatherings. Some of the readers did not comprehend where to stop, place emphasis, and etc. So punctuation was born to let the reader know how and when to do so.
Also upon further reading of modern scholars. The majority found no problems with the punctuation. Mainly because Greek was still spoken as a first and primary language as late as I believe 400 AD. So they would have the knowledge and skillset. So I tend to at least at this time go with the majority that it is correct. Mainly because I have not found the time to really dig in further and research out all the history and data.
Which hoping at some point I get the time to because I have to admit that when I read every jot and title will be fulfilled. I take a broader reading for that to include punctuation as well. So interesting topic and since you believe there may be a problem with the punctuation of this verse would actually like to hear more on why you find that so or just your theory if that is what you have at present.
John 8:51
Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death
is this speaking about the physical body? i think you already confessed you don't believe that Christians aren't subject to the death of the flesh.
but please, as i told you yesterday, i made another thread for this topic. no need to go off-topic here.
perhaps you were not able to find it?
that thread is here:
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/the-health-gospel.214529/#post-5267520
Ah yes, the old "hey, what's this over here" tactic to ignore the plain reading of scripture.
I made a better thread at https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/gods-promises.214536/
called God's promises that is not based on the false pre-conceived premise that God does not watch over His Word to perform it. (Jeremiah 1:12)
you posted the reference, so i posted the actual verse.
whose at fault if it doesn't surpport your position?