Predestination is misunderstood...

[Genez]

Their work will be shown for what it is... the fire will test the quality of each person’s work.

Yet, even if all his "works" were done in the flesh, and found not acceptable?

Just the same... If one believed in Jesus Christ?

He can not lose his salvation. Only can lose rewards.

That's the beauty of our salvation.

If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward.
If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—
even though only as one escaping through the flames.​

grace and peace ................

 

[Magenta]

Yet, even if all his "works" were done in the flesh, and found not acceptable?

Just the same... If one believed in Jesus Christ?

He can not lose his salvation. Only can lose rewards.

That's the beauty of our salvation.

If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward.
If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—
even though only as one escaping through the flames.​

grace and peace ................

Did you miss the point?

 

[Genez]

Did you miss the point?

I was trying to reinforce it.... We all will rejoice in his everlasting Mercy and Love.
That is what that passage is saying.... No matter how much a believer may fail, the Lord will not fail him.

 

[PaulThomson]

It all originated from Erasmus, the creator and author behind the text. And he journaled that he took the 10th century Latin Vulgate (Latin Language), which also was "the added to addition" from when Jerome first translated the original Greek into Latin around 320 AD. Erasmus took the 10th century Latin and tried to translate it back to Greek. But Jerome translated from koine Greek to Latin and when Erasmus translated it went from Latin to the modern day version of Greek we have now. And Erasmus wrote this is in no way a true copy of what the Apostles and others wrote.

https://textusreceptusbibles.com/History
What is your source?

 

[PaulThomson]

I know what a proposition is.... I also know an overuse of a term when it comes walking down the path, and introduces itself in a desire to sell something.

I would rather not learn to use such terms as to alienate some others when communicating in "koine English."

Koine Greek avoided what Attic and Classical Greek would cause with communicating with the common man when the NT was written.
Its why God chose koine as the primary Greek of the NT... though Paul could flip into classical Greek when so moved.

There are to be no self made pedestals in the body of Christ when its operating in the Spirit in communicating truth.
Especially bad when the person attempting to impress others with his vocabulary is not clear in his own thinking.

Have a nice Day...

If I am communicating with you and you understand what a proposition is, and propositional knowledge is, we should be able to have a comprehensible discussion. Maybe other posters are not as illiterate as you are presuming they are. And if they don't understand a word I use, they can ask me what I mean by it, and conversation can proceed.

What you seem to be doing is a bit of well-poisoning, rather than deal with uncomfortable ideas you want readers to feel like you have a righteous excuse to ignore.

 

[Genez]

What you seem to be doing is a bit of well-poisoning, rather than deal with uncomfortable ideas you want readers to feel like you have a righteous excuse to ignore.

No righteous excuse needed...

 

[Obedience]

You mean from verse 22 And the LORD God said: 'Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.' ?

I don't think He meant they were literally like God, but they now had this form of understanding about "good and evil" that they did not have before.

Or are you addressing the living forever part?

God created man in God's image.So we are also called gods or son of God.But only those who are United with God are considered as God.

The Gospel of John
10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Even if we can be called gods or son of God, We should be humble, and know who created us and angels.Who gave us life and God's wisdom.

If we can't learn the wisdom of God correctly,Can't we be called gods or son of God, but the son of the devil.

 

[Genez]

But my point is that truth is not only sets of propositions. Propositions are only one of at least four ways to experience truth. To focus almost exclusively on propositions in the search for truth is insufficient to gain the full freedom Jesus promised would come from knowing the truth.

What are the other ways that you had in mind to experience truth?

 

[Genez]

We can begin with a presupposition that what the the word of God says is true. We should not presuppose that what commentator X or Y claims the word of God is saying or teaching is correct. We should read the actual words: acknowledging what they do actually say and what they don't actually say. And then we should consider all the possible things that what they do say could mean, and not narrow that down by imposing limitations based on presuppositions gleaned from commentaries but not plainly stated anywhere in the Bible.

How can you read the actual words to know what is correct without first having an accurate translation, and an understanding as to why it was translated that way? That would require expository exegetical teaching to achieve if it is to be done. Not simply the reading of words in a translation.

 

[Genez]

We can be certain of what scripture actually says.

Were you not quoting from the King James a few posts back? In post 2,954?

If so? How can you say we can be certain of what Scripture actually says?

grace and peace ..............

 

[Inquisitor]

It's probably not a good idea to assume that dark ages - pre industrial revolution education standards applied in the first century.

I am not assuming anything.

The public education system did not exist in the first century. In fact, public education did not really get underway
until the 1800's in the western world. The schooling level in the 1800's was a very simple affair. Children were taught
the most basic mathematical operations, reading and writing.

In the first century;

1) Probably less than 5% of the population of the Roman Empire could read a simple Greek text.

2) Even less of the population of the Roman Empire could write.

 

[Inquisitor]

https://textusreceptusbibles.com/History
What is your source?

Erasmus had been studying Greek New Testament manuscripts for many years, in the Netherlands, France, England and Switzerland, noting their many variants, but had only six Greek manuscripts immediately accessible to him in Basel.[16] They all dated from the 12th century or later, and only one came from outside the mainstream Byzantine tradition. Consequently, most modern scholars consider his Greek text to be of dubious quality.[18]

With the third edition of Erasmus's Greek text (1522) the Comma Johanneum was included because "Erasmus chose to avoid any occasion for slander rather than persisting in philological accuracy" even though he remained "convinced that it did not belong to the original text of l John."[19] (Wiki.Textus.Receptus)

 

[PaulThomson]

I am not assuming anything.

The public education system did not exist in the first century. In fact, public education did not really get underway
until the 1800's in the western world. The schooling level in the 1800's was a very simple affair. Children were taught
the most basic mathematical operations, reading and writing.

In the first century;

1) Probably less than 5% of the population of the Roman Empire could read a simple Greek text.

2) Even less of the population of the Roman Empire could write.

"Education was very important to the Ancient Romans. The rich people in Ancient Rome put a great deal of faith in education. While the poor in Ancient Rome did not receive a formal education, many still learned to read and write. Children from rich families, however, were well schooled and were taught by a private tutor at home or went to what we would recognise as schools. In general, schools as we would recognise them, were for boys only. Also, Roman schools were rarely an individual building but an extension of a shop – separated from the crowd by a mere curtain!"

https://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/ancient-rome/roman-education/

 

[PaulThomson]

Erasmus had been studying Greek New Testament manuscripts for many years, in the Netherlands, France, England and Switzerland, noting their many variants, but had only six Greek manuscripts immediately accessible to him in Basel.[16] They all dated from the 12th century or later, and only one came from outside the mainstream Byzantine tradition. Consequently, most modern scholars consider his Greek text to be of dubious quality.[18]

With the third edition of Erasmus's Greek text (1522) the Comma Johanneum was included because "Erasmus chose to avoid any occasion for slander rather than persisting in philological accuracy" even though he remained "convinced that it did not belong to the original text of l John."[19] (Wiki.Textus.Receptus)

Is the Received Text Based on a Few Late Manuscripts?

Way of Life Literature
https://www.wayoflife.org › database › is_the_received_t...

Textual authorities admit that of the more than 5,200 existing Greek manuscripts, 99% contain the common traditional ecclesiastical or Received Text. Thus, on ...

Also, https://textusreceptusbibles.com/Based_on_Few_Manuscripts

The Textus Receptus agrees with the majority of manuscripts
Lastly, the majority of manuscripts that have been discovered and catalogued in the past four hundred years agree more with the Textus Receptus than with the modern Nestle-Aland/United Bible Society (NA/UBS) text. The majority of these manuscripts, termed the Byzantine Majority Text by scholars such as Wilbur Pickering, Zane C. Hodges, Maurice A. Robinson, are in the Byzantine tradition which generally agrees with the Textus Receptus. The Byzantine/Majority Text (2000) can be viewed at Biblos.com. While it is true that no extant Byzantine manuscript matches the Textus Receptus perfectly, the same could be said that no extant Alexandrian manuscript matches the NA/UBS text. The NA/UBS text is highly edited, being a composite text of readings from Codex Sinaiticus, Codex Vaticanus, and other manuscripts, all of which disagree with each other in thousands of places (John William Burgon, The Revision Revised, p. 11). With respect to the differences of whole verses, Codex Vaticanus does not have Matthew 12:47, forty-five chapters of Genesis, portions of Hebrews, the Pastoral Epistles, and Revelation. Codex Sinaiticus does not have Matthew 24:35, Luke 10:32, Luke 17:35, John 9:38, John 16:15, John 21:25, and 1 Corinthians 13:2. Papyri are just fragments of various bo

 

[PaulThomson]

How can you read the actual words to know what is correct without first having an accurate translation, and an understanding as to why it was translated that way? That would require expository exegetical teaching to achieve if it is to be done. Not simply the reading of words in a translation.

99% of all extant manuscripts support Erasmus' Textus Receptus. Using on-line resources and local classes one can study koine Greek and Hebrew grammar and usage, and learn to understand the possibilities inherent in Bible passages without much trouble. Like the fake news media, Greek and Hebrew professors championing various systematic theologies no longer hold the same arbitration power on biblical interpretation as they once did.

 

[Genez]

99% of all extant manuscripts support Erasmus' Textus Receptus. Using on-line resources and local classes one can study koine Greek and Hebrew grammar and usage, and learn to understand the possibilities inherent in Bible passages without much trouble. Like the fake news media, Greek and Hebrew professors championing various systematic theologies no longer hold the same arbitration power on biblical interpretation as they once did.

That is all interesting. So.. where does that leave us today?

 

[PaulThomson]

That is all interesting. So.. where does that leave us today?

2 Tim 2:15 Study to show yourself approved to God, a workman that needs notto be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Let's not hand over to others our responsibility to listen to God and learn from Him.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

God created man in God's image.So we are also called gods or son of God.But only those who are United with God are considered as God.

The Gospel of John
10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Even if we can be called gods or son of God, We should be humble, and know who created us and angels.Who gave us life and God's wisdom.

If we can't learn the wisdom of God correctly,Can't we be called gods or son of God, but the son of the devil.

I hope by reading my post you "do not think" I am claiming Adam and Eve were God?
I thought my post was pretty evident that I am tying what the serpent said to what God said and it's just using scripture to reference scripture. I am always leery when a post is plainly clear that it's just scripture referencing scripture but someone thinks there's a lesson to be taught as if the poster did not know any such difference. I have to question the rebuke of someone who is incapable of discerning. It reveals a lack of spiritual wisdom and a clear lack of the Gifts of the Spirit of God.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

God created man in God's image.So we are also called gods or son of God.But only those who are United with God are considered as God.

The Gospel of John
10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Even if we can be called gods or son of God, We should be humble, and know who created us and angels.Who gave us life and God's wisdom.

If we can't learn the wisdom of God correctly,Can't we be called gods or son of God, but the son of the devil.

Do you classify yourself as a "god?"

 

[Magenta]

Yes, the serpent in Genesis chapter 3 was Satan. Satan was either appearing as a serpent, possessing
the serpent, or deceiving Adam and Eve into believing that it was the serpent who was talking to them.

Adam was not deceived...