Women Pastors

[Dino246]

Being capable of preaching, doesn't justify allowing women to preach in any way. The Bible is very clear, that it's unacceptable. God must have a good reason for not allowing women to preach in the Church.

There also isn't a single verse of Scripture that says women cannot preach in the Church.

 

[Nehemiah6]

So the simple act of tying the knot, even if it's only for one day and then the wife dies, is required for a man to be a pastor? And since it says ONE wife, I assume that means he can never remarry? Please help me here, I was born without a Y chromosome so obviously I'm a little confused, I always thought that verse was saying not to let a polygamist be a pastor?????

Once again you are simply complicating the matter. The chances of a healthy wife dying immediately after her wedding are zero. And widowers are definitely allowed to remarry.

I don't recall a verse that says all the other apostles were married, I know Peter was but please let me know where it says that about the others because I'm genuinely curious.

Here it is: Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas? (1 Cor 9:5)
For greater clarity I will also quote from the NASB: Do we not have [the] right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas?

There is no mention of Timothy being married, he was sent to oversee the church at Ephesus and it does not sound like he was traveling around.

Timothy was neither an apostle, nor a missionary, nor a pastor/elder/bishop . He was an APOSTOLIC DELEGATE to Ephesus, just like Titus was to other locations.

 

[Eli1]

@Stan_the_Man

Just wondering about your avatar…. Looks evil. ….. and your username is just one letter short of who your avatar looks like. I don’t like it. ….just saying.

He's here for entertainment so you have to talk to him in a way so he understands to try to get him to drop the act.

Hey @Stan_the_Man , how much do you lift bro?

 

[Nehemiah6]

do people realize a pastor is a Sheppard. While a Bishop is something else?

That would be "shepherd" and a bishop means an overseer. But it would be the same person. Since "pastor" is a spiritual gift while elder/bishop is the office, not every elder would have that gift, but they all would have the gift of teaching and "ruling" (if they were genuinely placed there by the Holy Spirit). Unfortunately there is little or no shepherding by pastors today. And too many elders have not really been appointed by God.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Methinks we have some very insecure males here.

Just another silly comment to distract from this thread. Believe what is in the Bible, not what the feminists teach.

 

[selahsays]

Just another silly comment to distract from this thread. Believe what is in the Bible, not what the feminists teach.

not really silly.

 

[Snackersmom]

Once again you are simply complicating the matter. The chances of a healthy wife dying immediately after her wedding are zero. And widowers are definitely allowed to remarry.

So the wife also has to be healthy? I think we both know that people can and do die immediately after their weddings, though it's not super common. But you are missing my point.

And please explain how a widower is allowed to remarry if it VERY clearly says "the husband of one wife" ?

Here it is: Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas? (1 Cor 9:5) For greater clarity I will also quote from the NASB: Do we not have [the] right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas?

Timothy was neither an apostle, nor a missionary, nor a pastor/elder/bishop . He was an APOSTOLIC DELEGATE to Ephesus, just like Titus was to other locations.

Thank you for posting the verse, that's the one I figured you were referring to. I do not agree that it's saying ALL the apostles besides Paul were married, but we may have to agree to disagree on that.

Not trying to be rude but I think you are the one who is overcomplicating things here.... can you explain how the experience of marriage somehow purifies a person for certain ministry positions, but not others?

 

[Dino246]

Just another silly comment to distract from this thread. Believe what is in the Bible, not what the feminists teach.

You said it yourself: just another silly comment to distract from this thread.

 

[NightTwister]

Chapter and verse, please.

Not going to play your "proof text" game, thanks.

 

[wolfwint]

I have women in my family that are ordained thank you very much. They were preaching and teaching the Word where no male was available. Then my uncle and his wife were ordained together. If you believe God would punish a woman for that I'd say you are legalistic and don't understand the Word. If God can use a donkey to preach a sermon, surely He can use a woman.

I believe when the husband is called the wife is called. They should be ordained together. It would help a lot with family and marriage counseling in the church. And heaven knows we need more Christian family and marriage counseling. The wife could speak on special occasions. I've seen too many pastors lose their marriage because they were counseling a woman alone. I've seen horrible advice given to wives because the counseling was from a mans pov. only. I think it would be a great help to the church.

Well, misbehaviour, false understand Service, do not can justify to change Gods word.

Gods decision has to do with the creation order and Evas sin. Not to dominate over man.
Our society today shows what happend if there is no authority there.
Dont misunderstand me. The Man should love his wife as the Lord loves the church.
A man who lives according this, will not misuse or mistreat woman.
The feminism comes from an dictstorship and mistreating from Man against woman.
The bible dont teach this.

But it says that it is the consequence from Evas sin. Andcas much the people lives without God

There isn't a single verse of Scripture anywhere that says a pastor must be the husband of one wife. Same goes for a church leader.

Well, if a pastor is no eldest, then you are right.

 

[wolfwint]

Well, misbehaviour, false understand Service, do not can justify to change Gods word.

Gods decision has to do with the creation order and Evas sin. Not to dominate over man.
Our society today shows what happend if there is no authority there.
Dont misunderstand me. The Man should love his wife as the Lord loves the church.
A man who lives according this, will not misuse or mistreat woman.
The feminism comes from an dictstorship and mistreating from Man against woman.
The bible dont teach this.

But it says that it is the consequence from Evas sin. Andcas much the people lives without God

Well, if a pastor is no eldest, then you are right.

Sorry, my post to Thererosealamb was not finnished yet.

 

[Dino246]

Not going to play your "proof text" game, thanks.

That sounds like an avoidance of admission that there isn't any such text.

 

[Karlon]

So again, if a church cannot find a male pastor and a woman is ordained you believe God would say lock up the church and sell it rather than a woman preach. Again, I would agree the ideal is a male preacher. But in some of these small country churches women pretty much run the church. I know, I have attended these types of churches. If you believe God would rather see a church locked and sold rather than families having Sunday school and a place to bring their family to just because of a woman pastor, that is pure legalism.

no. here's what to do: bring in a guest pastor as long as possible. if not available, have a deacon or some church officer read from the Bible, using the monitor so everyone can see & use the liner notes, concordances & study helps for explanation. this is what a church did for 3 to 4 years when without a pastor. they would not bring in a female pastor. twa' against their policy.

 

[NightTwister]

That sounds like an avoidance of admission that there isn't any such text.

Only to you.

 

[Karlon]

do people realize a pastor is a Sheppard.

While a Bishop is something else?

some do, perhaps.

 

[Dino246]

Well, misbehaviour, false understand Service, do not can justify to change Gods word.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. I know English is not your first language, though your English is still far better than my German (?).

Gods decision has to do with the creation order and Evas sin. Not to dominate over man.

The key Greek word, authentein, is notorously difficult to translate, because it appears only infrequently in extrabiblical Greek literature, and has many different meanings across its usage. It only appears this once in Scripture. "Dominate" is one possible meaning, but I prefer "seduce" as it fits the cultural context better.

Dont misunderstand me. The Man should love his wife as the Lord loves the church.
A man who lives according this, will not misuse or mistreat woman.
The feminism comes from an dictstorship and mistreating from Man against woman.
The bible dont teach this.

We agree on this.

But it says that it is the consequence from Evas sin.

We disagree here. Based on research into the cultural context, I believe that Paul intended to prohibit the "spillover" of non-Christian cultic beliefs into the Church. These beliefs include the idea that Eve was formed first. Paul's words directly contradict this.

Well, if a pastor is no eldest, then you are right.

Thank you.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

I have serious issue with Paul's reasoning for why a Woman should not be in leadership. Read this verse in 1 Timothy the second chapter. 14 and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.

The reason this bothers me is yes, Eve was indeed deceived.
But Adam was not deceived, which meant he basically said to God, take your command and shove it where the sun don't shine. Adam blatantly went against the Command of God. And if that makes him a qualifier for a Preacher, I want NO PART of that type of church.

 

[Dino246]

I have serious issue with Paul's reasoning for why a Woman should not be in leadership. Read this verse in 1 Timothy the second chapter. 14 and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.

The reason this bothers me is yes, Eve was indeed deceived.
But Adam was not deceived, which meant he basically said to God, take your command and shove it where the sun don't shine. Adam blatantly went against the Command of God. And if that makes him a qualifier for a Preacher, I want NO PART of that type of church.

I won't presume your position on the thread topic, but I do chuckle when people argue about (a few) examples of poor female leadership, while they totally ignore the multitudinous examples of bad male leadership in Scripture, the Church, and the world. If we go by percentages, worst examples, or total results, we as Christians have far more reason to reject males from leadership than to reject females.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

no. here's what to do: bring in a guest pastor as long as possible. if not available, have a deacon or some church officer read from the Bible, using the monitor so everyone can see & use the liner notes, concordances & study helps for explanation. this is what a church did for 3 to 4 years when without a pastor. they would not bring in a female pastor. twa' against their policy.

Legalism.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Well, misbehaviour...

Excuse me? It was misbehavior for my uncle and aunt to be ordained together? Wow! So let me get this straight a woman can be secretary, run the nursery, be the music minister, be the adult Sunday school teacher, be the youth leader and of course head of allll the food duties but cannot be pastor even if there is no male to be pastor. And a woman who is ordained is misbehaving. I think we have a couple female pastors here that might take issue with that.

Gods decision has to do with the creation order and Evas sin. Not to dominate over man.
Our society today shows what happend if there is no authority there.

No our society shows people that have turned their back on God. I have no issue with the father as the head of the home. But not a lot of homes have traditional families anymore. The father in the home now is not usually the father of the child. Messed all that up about 30 years ago when Christians started getting loose on divorce being wrong.

Dont misunderstand me. The Man should love his wife as the Lord loves the church.
A man who lives according this, will not misuse or mistreat woman.
The feminism comes from an dictstorship and mistreating from Man against woman.
The bible dont teach this.

No, feminism has nothing to do with this discussion. I'm not a feminist, I don't believe in it.

But it says that it is the consequence from Evas sin. Andcas much the people lives without God
.

You might have to be a bit clearer on this one, not quite sure what you mean.