DON'T take the Mark!

[Stan_the_Man]

Some seem to think that a Christian could take the mark of the beast and still be saved.

This is absolutely not the case, read on:

Revelation 14:9-11
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If ANY MAN worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Since Jesus said the only sin not forgivable is blaspheming the Holy Ghost (Matthew 12:31), some claim this means if a Christian takes the mark of the beast which includes worshiping the beast they will still go to Heaven.

Jesus specifically tells us in Revelation 14:9-11 that taking the mark of the beast will in fact send one to hell so it's very obvious that Jesus considers taking the mark of the beast to be blaspheming the Holy Ghost, and here's why:

1 Corinthians 6:19,20
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Romans 12:1,2
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

A Christians has NO right to turn away from the Lord and submit themselves and their body to the beast by taking his mark which is to be in agreement with the beast which is worship unto the beast.

Those taking the mark of the beast are in fact blaspheming the Holy Ghost and those that say it is not are considering what Jesus said in Revelation 14:9-11 to be a lie.

Things never end well for those that think Jesus lied and think they can go their own way and do their own will while rejecting His will for their lives.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I bet I know quite a few people who come in Jesus name who will get the mark.
Here they are arriving in Israel.

Mathew 24
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

Yeah, it's sad that even some of the well known preaches are teaching one can take the mark and still be saved.

I think John Macarthur got in trouble by teaching this at one point. He's a calvinist so he should be ignored anyway

 

[montana123]

A person cannot mistakingly take the mark of the beast for worship of the beast, and following his agenda for the world will happen before they take the mark of the beast.

They will know he blasphemes against God, and His tabernacle, and those that dwell in heaven.

They will know his agenda is there is no personal God to help mankind, but mankind's technology, and devices, can achieve peace on Earth.

They will know he claims to be God, and claims to have evolved to be spiritual, and a god, and follows the new age interpretation of religions.

All before they take the mark of the beast so there can be no mistake that they know what he is about and his agenda.

United Nations Agenda 21, a sustainability act, which 179 nations agreed to it in 1992, and it is more popular now.

One of the agendas is to move all people in to the cities, and no development can happen outside city limits, and the people become the police force of the cities.

When the New Age Christ, antichrist, negotiates peace in the Middle East resulting in a 7 years peace treaty, for the first three and one half years they will prepare the cities to move all people in to the cities.

Which they will have caused population reduction a lot by not allowing a man and a woman to come together.

At the end of the three and one half years all people will be in the cities and since there is a one world government there will be no more guns, and no more hunting animals, and no more eating meat, which the lack of the guns will also help to cut down on crime.

They will give the people a microchip linked to satellite like a GPS tracking system for humans which they can track the people, and watch what they do, and if a crime happens they will know who was in the area, and how close they were to the crime scene.

This will cut out judges, lawyers, and the now known police force.

All information about the person will be on the chip including financial records for it is the one world economic system which no person can buy or sell without the chip.

The microchip is the mark of the beast for it is their solution to achieve peace on Earth which is by their technology, and devices.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.

stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.

The mark of the beast is something stuck under something for identification, and since it is given to humans it will be stuck under their skin.

Which an Air Force officer that was in China said that they want all information about you in you.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Some seem to think that a Christian could take the mark of the beast and still be saved.

The church will be absent from the earth when the mark of the beast goes into effect (Revelation 13). You will not find the words "church" or "churches" from Revelation 4 to Revelation 18. Thus the issue is moot. The Tribulation Saints will refuse to take the mark, and will be beheaded (Rev 20).

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The church will be absent from the earth when the mark of the beast goes into effect (Revelation 13). You will not find the words "church" or "churches" from Revelation 4 to Revelation 18. Thus the issue is moot. The Tribulation Saints will refuse to take the mark, and will be beheaded (Rev 20).

The tribulation saints is the church the Lord calls out of their graves.


6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

The mark of the beast is something stuck under something for identification, and since it is given to humans it will be stuck under their skin.

Yes, and those that take this mark (which at some point will be required in order to buy or sell) will be spending eternity in hell according to what Jesus tells us in Revelation 14:9-11

The issue here is a lot of people have been taught once saved always saved and they believe they can actually take the mark and still go to Heaven. This is NOT true according to what Jesus tells us in Revelation 14:9-11

The church will be absent from the earth when the mark of the beast goes into effect (Revelation 13). You will not find the words "church" or "churches" from Revelation 4 to Revelation 18. Thus the issue is moot. The Tribulation Saints will refuse to take the mark, and will be beheaded (Rev 20).

We won't know that for sure until the rapture actually happens. We can speculate all we'd like, but we will see how all this plays out as it's playing out.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 tells us the gathering of ourselves unto the Lord (rapture) will not happen until there is a falling away (many Christians turning away from the Lord as we see happening now) and the anti-christ is revealed to the world.

So the rapture will not happen until sometimes after the entire world knows who the anti-christ is so it's entirely possible we will still be here when they roll out the mark of the beast.

Even if we are not, there will be people who were lukewarm or backsliden who won't be taken in the rapture (that will turn back to the Lord after the rapture) and there will be people getting born again after the rapture happens so all Christians every where need to know that if they take the mark of the beats, Jesus says that will cause them to go to hell.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I think the two witnesses get the mark of the beast .


9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

The two witnesses ascend into heaven in a cloud.
The cloud that rises into heaven from the earth during the war of armegeddon could be full of fire and brimstone just like the one that rose into heaven from hiroshima.
That and those two spend 3.5 years tormenting other people might make them worthy of being tormented themselves.


Mathew 7:12
So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

 

[Nehemiah6]

So the rapture will not happen until sometimes after the entire world knows who the anti-christ is so it's entirely possible we will still be here when they roll out the mark of the beast.

The Holy Spirit is the divine Restrainer who is holding back the appearance of the Antichrist until God's time. The Bible says that He must be "taken out of the way" in order for Satan and the Antichrist to take total control of the inhabitants of the world.

And the Holy Spirit indwells every believer -- the Church. So the presence of the Church on earth is also holding back the appearance of the Antichrist. When the Holy Spirit is taken "out of the way" He will return to Heaven, and so the Church will be also raptured at that time.

Therefore there is no question that the Church will NOT be present when the Antichrist rules the world. Please note carefully: And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (Rev 13:8) Can you even imagine true believers in this scenario? Of course the Antichrist makes "war with the saints" and those are the Tribulation Saints who will refuse to take the mark, and will be beheaded.

As I already pointed out, the words "church" or "churches" are not found from Revelation 4-18. That in itself is sufficient to confirm that the Church is absent and in Heaven.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The tribulation saints is the church the Lord calls out of their graves.

The Tribulation Saints are distinct from the Church. Is the entire Church beheaded? But these saints are all beheaded.
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (Rev 20:4)

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The Holy Spirit is the divine Restrainer who is holding back the appearance of the Antichrist until God's time. The Bible says that He must be "taken out of the way" in order for Satan and the Antichrist to take total control of the inhabitants of the world.

And the Holy Spirit indwells every believer -- the Church. So the presence of the Church on earth is also holding back the appearance of the Antichrist. When the Holy Spirit is taken "out of the way" He will return to Heaven, and so the Church will be also raptured at that time.

Therefore there is no question that the Church will NOT be present when the Antichrist rules the world. Please note carefully: And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (Rev 13:8) Can you even imagine true believers in this scenario? Of course the Antichrist makes "war with the saints" and those are the Tribulation Saints who will refuse to take the mark, and will be beheaded.

As I already pointed out, the words "church" or "churches" are not found from Revelation 4-18. That in itself is sufficient to confirm that the Church is absent and in Heaven.

You believe the absence of the word church means its has been caught away.Yet here is a great multitude which no man can number standing before the throne .
Revelation 7

9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;


They came out great tribulation and they stand before the throne .What is not seen standing before the throne is the word Church.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The Tribulation Saints are distinct from the Church. Is the entire Church beheaded? But these saints are all beheaded.
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (Rev 20:4)

It is saints in Israel that are killed for their testimony of Jesus.You will probably still be preaching about the pretrib rapture while they are being persecuted.

 

[NightTwister]

Yeah, it's sad that even some of the well known preaches are teaching one can take the mark and still be saved.

I think John Macarthur got in trouble by teaching this at one point. He's a calvinist so he should be ignored anyway

Macarthur is *not* a calvinist. I think some people just say this about everyone they disagree with.

 

[Blade]

"Some seem to think that a Christian could take the mark of the beast and still be saved. "

I always wonder why so many get stuck on the mark. Well to get to that you already bowed down and worshiped the beast. Is it not written before that "And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, every one whose name hath not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb ". Believers will never worship the beast so if you don't worship your killed.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

"Some seem to think that a Christian could take the mark of the beast and still be saved. "

I always wonder why so many get stuck on the mark. Well to get to that you already bowed down and worshiped the beast. Is it not written before that "And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, every one whose name hath not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb ". Believers will never worship the beast so if you don't worship your killed.

People who worship the beast don't bow down to it .They think highly of it and adore it.

Far as I understand,your name can be blotted out of the book of life.It would be very unfortunate to have your name written only to have it blotted out .



Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.



Jesus spoke of some servants who are not doing the things they should at the time of the end and doing things they shouldn't.Perhaps their names are blotted out.

Mathew 24:48-51
But what if the servant is evil and thinks, ‘My master won’t be back for a while,’
and he begins beating the other servants, partying, and getting drunk?
The master will return unannounced and unexpected,
and he will cut the servant to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth




Sounds like a servant who was not expecting his master to come.At a time when the saints are persecuted for their testimony of Jesus , there are some of jesus servants beating other servants.I wouldn't be a bit surprised if those drunken servants have a mark in their right hand.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Macarthur is *not* a Calvinist.

He is very definitely a Five Point Calvinist (in his own words):

The Five Points of Calvinism
Defined, Defended and Documented
Afterward by John MacArthur​

I am thankful for this timely revision of wonderful classic that has already been an immense blessing to countless thousands. Notwithstanding its success over the years, the only question that ultimately matters about the "five points of Calvinism" is whether these doctrines are biblical. This book has demonstrated (conclusively, in my judgment) that the "five points" are nothing more or less than what the Bible teaches. The doctrines of grace and divine sovereignty are the very lifeblood of the full and free salvation promised in the gospel.
https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/MacArthur_5pts.html

Of course he is wrong, but he has influenced many people in this regard.

 

[LeeLoving]

I sort of get the feeling that when people approach the Bible with interpolative stances such as five point Calvinism that they might not actually believe what the Bible says and are just treating it like an intellectual exercise.

 

[Melach]

Macarthur is *not* a calvinist. I think some people just say this about everyone they disagree with.

uhh... he is a calvinist. he claims it and teaches it. TULIP. the very definition. you do not know what a calvinist is? just because his eschatology is dispensational doesnt mean his soteriology isnt reformed

 

[NightTwister]

uhh... he is a calvinist. he claims it and teaches it. TULIP. the very definition. you do not know what a calvinist is? just because his eschatology is dispensational doesnt mean his soteriology isnt reformed

I know what a "calvinist" is, even if I don't care for the label. I'm reformed. Also, being reformed doesn't require a particular eschatology. Spurgeon is a good example. As for Macarthur, it depends on whether or not you think he agrees with limited atonement. From some of his teachings, it seems that he does not.

 

[NightTwister]

Well, I haven't gotten a barcode tattoo (or any other kind), so I think I'm good.