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Because to show impartiality is unjust. You haven't got that from my posts before now?
You are bypassing the original issue though. You implied God is unfair because people are born into opposite/different situations and you did that because you applied the wrong criteria to the meaning of fairness.
Are you rescinding your opinion that God is unfair because some are born rich and others poor? Or are you maintaining your position God is unfair?
Because to show impartiality is unjust. You haven't got that from my posts before now?
You are bypassing the original issue though. You implied God is unfair because people are born into opposite/different situations and you did that because you applied the wrong criteria to the meaning of fairness.
Are you rescinding your opinion that God is unfair because some are born rich and others poor? Or are you maintaining your position God is unfair?
It was unfair because the two individuals were treated differently.
It was unjust because it was sinful. They did not love the one man as Jesus has loved us.
Fairness deals with equality and equity.
Justice deals with treatment according to a standard.
Can you think of a biblical story where the demands of justice were met but not the requirements of fairness?
It was unjust because it was sinful. They did not love the one man as Jesus has loved us.
Fairness deals with equality and equity.
Justice deals with treatment according to a standard.
Can you think of a biblical story where the demands of justice were met but not the requirements of fairness?
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Matthew 7:8 NASB1995
[8] For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.
https://bible.com/bible/100/mat.7.8.NASB1995
[8] For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.
https://bible.com/bible/100/mat.7.8.NASB1995
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Which is what I said (in the corrected version) so why are you repeating me?
Fairness deals with impartiality and the lack of prejudice or bias, you keep trying to define equality as having the same circumstance/reward. I have shown you enough scripture that aligns impartiality with fairness for you to understand that point.
You bypassed my question again. You implied originally God is unfair. If you have a biblical story that shows God being just but not fair (based on the true meaning of fair, not your worldy version), then show us and prove how God is just but unfair.
Fairness deals with impartiality and the lack of prejudice or bias, you keep trying to define equality as having the same circumstance/reward. I have shown you enough scripture that aligns impartiality with fairness for you to understand that point.
You bypassed my question again. You implied originally God is unfair. If you have a biblical story that shows God being just but not fair (based on the true meaning of fair, not your worldy version), then show us and prove how God is just but unfair.
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I never said God was unfair. I said God never claimed to be fair. And then I demonstrated how He dealt with people differently.
What you have shown is that while fairness and justice are related, they are not the same thing and I delineated the difference using the example of James.
Then I asked you for an example where justice was applied but fairness was not. And there is such a story. A landowner went out several different times of the day and hired workers. At the end of the day he paid all the workers the same. Was he just? Yes, because he met the financial terms agreed to. Was he fair? No. Some had to work longer than the others.
You seem to be hung up on the definition of fair. But you ignore the definition of justice. Biblically, justice means to treat equally according to a standard. That standard is the law of God. Justice compares behavior to what the law says.
This is not true of fairness. It compares behavior against the behavior towards another. That is its standard.
Thus, it is possible to be just and fair or unfair.
What you have shown is that while fairness and justice are related, they are not the same thing and I delineated the difference using the example of James.
Then I asked you for an example where justice was applied but fairness was not. And there is such a story. A landowner went out several different times of the day and hired workers. At the end of the day he paid all the workers the same. Was he just? Yes, because he met the financial terms agreed to. Was he fair? No. Some had to work longer than the others.
You seem to be hung up on the definition of fair. But you ignore the definition of justice. Biblically, justice means to treat equally according to a standard. That standard is the law of God. Justice compares behavior to what the law says.
This is not true of fairness. It compares behavior against the behavior towards another. That is its standard.
Thus, it is possible to be just and fair or unfair.
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Nice work....
My drum shells are precision made, thin shelled, maple plies. Great for resonance.
But... My drumming will not get me into heaven.
My drum shells are precision made, thin shelled, maple plies. Great for resonance.
But... My drumming will not get me into heaven.
For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.
If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay or straw,
their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light.
It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work.
If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up,
the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping
through the flames. 1 Cor 3:11-15
Gold, silver, and precious stones are produced in a believer thinking with sound doctrine in the filling of the Spirit.
Just the same. Nice workmanship! 
God changed the cause of predestination for man after the fall.
The cause was set originally, so that man could walk with God in his garden.
If the original cause had stayed the same, mankind would have stayed in his Garden, and multiplied in his garden.
That never happened as unforseen circumstances altered the cause of mankind.
You had the devine counsel in the beginning living in present time with God, who all decided together how the image of man should be created in there image in present time.
At this time no plans where made to set a new creation, ie Adam and eve to live in past time.
So man was created equal, in an image that was free to choose, innocent and with out shame, of who there father was.
Protected in a heavenly garden, there was no need for God to know what Adam and eve would do next.
After they sinned in Garden, then there path changed, and this is where the plan was made to save man.
Where by man was banished from the garden and made to live in time that falls behind Gods time, So God could know everything man would do before they did it.
This of course also change God's will that's lives in all man, because God has now imprisoned his own will in man, so that man will never be free to choose or have free will, unless it is in accordance with his will.
Each and every man now has this will and this seed in him
Every man is chosen for adoption, but not everyman will be adopted.
The end. 😊
The cause was set originally, so that man could walk with God in his garden.
If the original cause had stayed the same, mankind would have stayed in his Garden, and multiplied in his garden.
That never happened as unforseen circumstances altered the cause of mankind.
You had the devine counsel in the beginning living in present time with God, who all decided together how the image of man should be created in there image in present time.
At this time no plans where made to set a new creation, ie Adam and eve to live in past time.
So man was created equal, in an image that was free to choose, innocent and with out shame, of who there father was.
Protected in a heavenly garden, there was no need for God to know what Adam and eve would do next.
After they sinned in Garden, then there path changed, and this is where the plan was made to save man.
Where by man was banished from the garden and made to live in time that falls behind Gods time, So God could know everything man would do before they did it.
This of course also change God's will that's lives in all man, because God has now imprisoned his own will in man, so that man will never be free to choose or have free will, unless it is in accordance with his will.
Each and every man now has this will and this seed in him
Every man is chosen for adoption, but not everyman will be adopted.
The end. 😊
You will see if you search the Scriptures that faith just like repentance is a gift of God granted by grace.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Php 1:29 For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake,
Act 18:27 And when he desired to cross to Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him; and when he arrived, he greatly helped those who had believed through grace;
Everyone is commanded to repent and believe, but how can a person repent when they love their sin and how can a person believe when all they do is believe in themselves? The answer is that a person must be born again to do so.
The only reason why anyone chooses God is because God first chose them and made them willing.
Psa 110:3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power,
and therefore salvation does not belong to the choice of men but the Lord.
Psa 3:8 Salvation belongs to the LORD. Your blessing is upon Your people. Selah
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Php 1:29 For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake,
Act 18:27 And when he desired to cross to Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him; and when he arrived, he greatly helped those who had believed through grace;
Everyone is commanded to repent and believe, but how can a person repent when they love their sin and how can a person believe when all they do is believe in themselves? The answer is that a person must be born again to do so.
The only reason why anyone chooses God is because God first chose them and made them willing.
Psa 110:3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power,
and therefore salvation does not belong to the choice of men but the Lord.
Psa 3:8 Salvation belongs to the LORD. Your blessing is upon Your people. Selah
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Nice work....
My drum shells are precision made, thin shelled, maple plies. Great for resonance.
But... My drumming will not get me into heaven.
My drum shells are precision made, thin shelled, maple plies. Great for resonance.
But... My drumming will not get me into heaven.
For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.
If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay or straw,
their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light.
It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work.
If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up,
the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping
through the flames. 1 Cor 3:11-15
Gold, silver, and precious stones are produced in a believer thinking with sound doctrine in the filling of the Spirit.
Just the same. Nice workmanship!
From your response I take it that you do not then go to any church which has a statement of faith or sit under the teaching of any men which God has ordained to do so and therefore are unteachable in anything.
Everyone has certain presuppositions and it seems like you are too scared to have yours tested by Scripture which is given for this purpose.
Everyone has certain presuppositions and it seems like you are too scared to have yours tested by Scripture which is given for this purpose.
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"You are born in the image of the devil" is not in either of those verses.
Citing texts and claiming they say we are "spiritually dead", when they do not mention "spiritually dead", does not prove that "spiritually dead" is a biblical concept; not does it define what is meant by someone using the term. Since it is not a biblical term and you have not defined it by scripture, a person could fill that term meaning with whatever they want.
Citing texts and claiming they say we are "spiritually dead", when they do not mention "spiritually dead", does not prove that "spiritually dead" is a biblical concept; not does it define what is meant by someone using the term. Since it is not a biblical term and you have not defined it by scripture, a person could fill that term meaning with whatever they want.