Predestination is misunderstood...
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If God imputed to Jesus absolute evil, and handed Jesus over to be treated by men and demons as if He were absolute evil, with God's utter abandonment, there would be no sin that could deserve more suffering and torment than Jesus experienced. Jesus' payment was of perfect quality during His abandonment, not quantity.
Do you know what the Garden of Eden looked like?
Do you know how the Flood of Noah looked like?
Do you know how it looked like when Enoch and Elijah were caught up to God?
Did you see the Tower of Babel?
You have no idea about the majority of the Bible.
You are so limited in knowledge you can't even fix your own problems or add one extra day to your life.
Do you know how the Flood of Noah looked like?
Do you know how it looked like when Enoch and Elijah were caught up to God?
Did you see the Tower of Babel?
You have no idea about the majority of the Bible.
You are so limited in knowledge you can't even fix your own problems or add one extra day to your life.
It is foolish to think everything true in the bible has been already explained to us by our forebears. That attitude is why the Pharisees hated and rejected Jesus.
It is why Paul said "If any man think that he knows any thing, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know. 1 Cor. 8:2
The more we know, the more we know we don't know. It is these who know very little who think they know everything.
It is why Paul said "If any man think that he knows any thing, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know. 1 Cor. 8:2
The more we know, the more we know we don't know. It is these who know very little who think they know everything.
They where predestined with God before the fall, they Got predestined in a different way after the fall.
Do you realise your sayin God created man to sin.
God saw everything that he created and it was good remember.
Adam and also could of eaten from the tree of life and live for ever.
God blocked the tree of life from them after the
They where predestined with God before the fall, they Got predestined in a different way after the fall.
Do you realise your sayin God created man to sin.
God saw everything that he created and it was good remember.
Adam and Eve, also could of eaten from the tree of life and lived for ever.
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Look again God says and now man has become like us.
Hes not saying I knew this would happen is he.
Then he states let's block the tree of before they eat of it.
Obviously he didn't know if they would eat of the tree at this stage, because they where in his present time, ( get it man)..
So then he drove them out of the garden .
And then he became all knowing of what they would do and what they wouldn't do.
And.then he set the plan to save them, no doubt
Do you realise your sayin God created man to sin.
God saw everything that he created and it was good remember.
Adam and also could of eaten from the tree of life and live for ever.
God blocked the tree of life from them after the
They where predestined with God before the fall, they Got predestined in a different way after the fall.
Do you realise your sayin God created man to sin.
God saw everything that he created and it was good remember.
Adam and Eve, also could of eaten from the tree of life and lived for ever.
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Look again God says and now man has become like us.
Hes not saying I knew this would happen is he.
Then he states let's block the tree of before they eat of it.
Obviously he didn't know if they would eat of the tree at this stage, because they where in his present time, ( get it man)..
So then he drove them out of the garden .
And then he became all knowing of what they would do and what they wouldn't do.
And.then he set the plan to save them, no doubt
This could mean other things to 😊
So in other words your saying you where chosen before you where born.
Ephesians 1:4-6
New International Version
4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5 he[a] predestined us for adoption to sonship[b] through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves.
It says he chose you to be holy in his sight, it doesn't say je chose you to be saved before you where born.
And us was not speaking to you when this was said.
So in other words your saying you where chosen before you where born.
Ephesians 1:4-6
New International Version
4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5 he[a] predestined us for adoption to sonship[b] through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves.
It says he chose you to be holy in his sight, it doesn't say je chose you to be saved before you where born.
And us was not speaking to you when this was said.
God who is eternal and timeless, decreed all things before the foundation of the world. It's really quite simple but here are some further verse for you to reflect upon.
41 Bible Verses about election, to salvation
41 Bible Verses about election, to salvation
Luke 12:7 tells us God knows "every hair" on your body.
Job 14:5 tells us God knows how many days and months we will live
A little bit of BIBLE knowledge from READING and it doesn't take a genius to know God KNOWS Everything.
He knows when you will sin, how you will sin, and if you will repent of them.
He clearly knew Adam would sin.
Job 14:5 tells us God knows how many days and months we will live
A little bit of BIBLE knowledge from READING and it doesn't take a genius to know God KNOWS Everything.
He knows when you will sin, how you will sin, and if you will repent of them.
He clearly knew Adam would sin.
Oh come on son the fact he knows every hair on your head is because he's your father.
I ain't saying hes not all knowing am i.
What being said is before the fall he simply chose not to know what you would do next before you did it.
Why well the fact that he does know now is because he had imprisoned his will in you.
Because he loves you tho.
But obviously he would rather you where in the garden free to choose and free to wander.
And free to be trusted.
And free not to be watched.
But the fact is son we have billions of bastards in the world who could also make you fall.
I ain't saying hes not all knowing am i.
What being said is before the fall he simply chose not to know what you would do next before you did it.
Why well the fact that he does know now is because he had imprisoned his will in you.
Because he loves you tho.
But obviously he would rather you where in the garden free to choose and free to wander.
And free to be trusted.
And free not to be watched.
But the fact is son we have billions of bastards in the world who could also make you fall.
