Predestination is misunderstood...
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this verse matters first.
Before the punishment was set.
Did God know Adam and Eve had sinned
Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the Lord God called to the man, “Where are you?”
10 He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.”
11 And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”
12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”
13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
14 So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,
Before the punishment was set.
Did God know Adam and Eve had sinned
Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the Lord God called to the man, “Where are you?”
10 He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.”
11 And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”
12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”
13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
14 So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,
Christian teaching is supposed to teach believers about what Gods commandments, instructions and warnings are. The Bible is Gods message to believers, to keep us from falling victim to the lies of the enemy who is hell bent on contradicting Gods Word.
The enemy has infiltrated the Church and destroying it from within, so it's crucial that we rightly interpret Gods Word. Most Churches never preach about sin, judgement, predestination and they avoid preaching about topics which might make some visitors uncomfortable.
The enemy has infiltrated the Church and destroying it from within, so it's crucial that we rightly interpret Gods Word. Most Churches never preach about sin, judgement, predestination and they avoid preaching about topics which might make some visitors uncomfortable.
So, I can assume you believe all of humanity's names were written in the book and those who sinned against God had their names blotted out/removed.
That interpretation doesn't stand when applied to verses like;
Philippians 2:13 For it is God, who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
The above verse seems to indicate that it is God who works in His elect, both to do His will and to do it for His good pleasure. It indicates to me that Gods is at work in the lives of His elect. He doesn't do anything for those He leaves in their sin, (the non elect)
That interpretation doesn't stand when applied to verses like;
Philippians 2:13 For it is God, who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
The above verse seems to indicate that it is God who works in His elect, both to do His will and to do it for His good pleasure. It indicates to me that Gods is at work in the lives of His elect. He doesn't do anything for those He leaves in their sin, (the non elect)
Again that's your opinion, that was said in totally different light.
He never said what have you done to two people or said where are you, not even knowing where they where hiding,
The fact is everyone of you knew what genesis 3 was suggesting, with the way I asked you to suggest, including @Genez @Dino246 @Cameron143, and even you where not prepared to make the suggestion first.
Because you all knew what it was suggesting, which if you had of suggested it, it would have suggested your opinions where not absolute,
And as always you where waiting for me to suggest it, so you could then go oh, or err, or nay, or what ever,
As this is what happens to people who are indoctrinated with opinion.
No it took someone else to make the suggestion who hadn't even been asked, who could clearly see it.
But you lot despite numerous attempts and umpteen requests all ignorantly refused to make the suggestion.
That's what you call hardened sir, 😊
He never said what have you done to two people or said where are you, not even knowing where they where hiding,
The fact is everyone of you knew what genesis 3 was suggesting, with the way I asked you to suggest, including @Genez @Dino246 @Cameron143, and even you where not prepared to make the suggestion first.
Because you all knew what it was suggesting, which if you had of suggested it, it would have suggested your opinions where not absolute,
And as always you where waiting for me to suggest it, so you could then go oh, or err, or nay, or what ever,
As this is what happens to people who are indoctrinated with opinion.
No it took someone else to make the suggestion who hadn't even been asked, who could clearly see it.
But you lot despite numerous attempts and umpteen requests all ignorantly refused to make the suggestion.
That's what you call hardened sir, 😊