Predestination is misunderstood...
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The Church is divided into two main camps. One camp preaches a man centered works based salvation and the other preaches a Grace based salvation, which is not dependent on works.
Those are the two main opposing views which divide the Church. I know there are many other views as well, but every Church has to choose between Arminianism or Calvinism. There's no sitting on the fence, because these two are radically different in what they believe the Bible teaches.
Those are the two main opposing views which divide the Church. I know there are many other views as well, but every Church has to choose between Arminianism or Calvinism. There's no sitting on the fence, because these two are radically different in what they believe the Bible teaches.
there you go 😊
They need to read this in both the niv and KJV
Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the Lord God called to the man, “Where are you?”
Genesis 3 niv
10 He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.”
11 And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”
12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”
13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
14 So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,
So here we have man living in present time with God
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Where he did not know what Adam or eve had done.
Conclusion
After this he set punishment on them,
And sent them to live outside of his time, ie before his present time, so he could know what they would do before they did it.
They need to read this in both the niv and KJV
Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the Lord God called to the man, “Where are you?”
Genesis 3 niv
10 He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.”
11 And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”
12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”
13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
14 So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,
So here we have man living in present time with God
.
Where he did not know what Adam or eve had done.
Conclusion
After this he set punishment on them,
And sent them to live outside of his time, ie before his present time, so he could know what they would do before they did it.
I believe that God actually creates some people to be joined to His body and He creates others to leave in their sin. So my understanding is, God causes everything to be as it is. Jesus described two kinds of people, Gods children and the Devils children. The Devils children can never become Gods children and neither can Gods children become the Devils children.
Nobody gets to choose who they are, God is the One who decides that.
Nobody gets to choose who they are, God is the One who decides that.
God always did know what he may present Himself as to having not known.
God uses what is called "language of accommodation."
Its to avoid confusion in the hearers, and allows for them to concentrate on something taking place in time for them in their experience.
God can act like He does not know something, but we who have learned to know God know better.
Language of accommodation is written for those just getting to know God's Word.
Thinking and communicating in terms of omniscience would be too confusing and bring up too many questions
while God desires for man to concentrate right then on a single detail that had unfolded in time.
How would you like it if you stood before the Lord, if He kept giving answers before your question was formed in your mind?
It would confuse you to no end.... and may not be able to think of the questions you may have. He would have to tell you your
own questions you would have asked to avoid your confusion.
God often communicates on our terms, so we can grasp what God wants our finite souls to grasp immediately.
Parents sometimes use that technique with young children when trying to teach a lesson....
God uses what is called "language of accommodation."
Its to avoid confusion in the hearers, and allows for them to concentrate on something taking place in time for them in their experience.
God can act like He does not know something, but we who have learned to know God know better.
Language of accommodation is written for those just getting to know God's Word.
Thinking and communicating in terms of omniscience would be too confusing and bring up too many questions
while God desires for man to concentrate right then on a single detail that had unfolded in time.
How would you like it if you stood before the Lord, if He kept giving answers before your question was formed in your mind?
It would confuse you to no end.... and may not be able to think of the questions you may have. He would have to tell you your
own questions you would have asked to avoid your confusion.
God often communicates on our terms, so we can grasp what God wants our finite souls to grasp immediately.
Parents sometimes use that technique with young children when trying to teach a lesson....
You obviously believe the Arminian interpretation of scriptures which deal with salvation. And I obviously believe that Calvinism is Biblically correct.
We can both cite verses which seem to support our interpretation, but I don't think we're going to agree on anything because this topic has been debated by far more educated theologians than us for the past 500 years and the debate is still raging.
How do we know fore sure which side is the Biblically correct one, when the experts can't even decide.
We can both cite verses which seem to support our interpretation, but I don't think we're going to agree on anything because this topic has been debated by far more educated theologians than us for the past 500 years and the debate is still raging.
How do we know fore sure which side is the Biblically correct one, when the experts can't even decide.