They will be saved after also. In their own nation.. God will rule from Jerusalem.. but each nation will come worship the king annually.
Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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Pure unadulterated nonsense! Have you never read:
Prov 16:4
4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil ?
KJV
And this from Paul harmonizes quite nicely with the above:
Rom 9:7-25
8 In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring. 9 For this was how the promise was stated: "At the appointed time I will return, and Sarah will have a son."
10 Not only that, but Rebekah's children had one and the same father, our father Isaac. 11 Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad — in order that God's purpose in election might stand: 12 not by works but by him who calls — she was told, "The older will serve the younger." 13 Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."
14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses,
"I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."
16 It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." 18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
19 One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" 20 But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?'" 21 Does not the potter have the RIGHT to make out of the SAME lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?
22 What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath — prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24 even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?
NIV
Or as St. Pete succinctly exclaimed:
1 Peter 2:8
8 and,
"A stone that causes men to stumble
and a rock that makes them fall."
They stumble because they disobey the message — which is also what they were destined for.
NIV
So...you who pretend to be this great defender God's thrice holy character, why do you malign the integrity of his Word? Why can't you believe him? Don't you know that Abraham is the [spiritual] father of only those, who like himself, believed God -- and that only such people are justified in God's sight (Rom 4:3)? Even the demons "believe IN God" (as does the very large majority of the world)...but most of us know what their eternal destiny is, don't we?
So now you accuse me of maligning God's character? How so? Do you think God is morally obligated to save anyone, let alone all men? Explain your holier-than-thou, self-righteous indignation! Can you, apart from maligning God's Holy Word with your contradictions!? Precisely, how is God's eternal predestination of his elect for eternal salvation unjust or unfair? I'll be waiting with bated breath for that explanation.
The Jews ALWAYS had that condition, save for the reigns of David and Solomon. They had it before these two kings and after them! Why do you think the kingdoms of Israel and Judah were apostate nations!
As far as your question at the end, go back and reread my 1919. I answered that. And I also answered it long before then by wanting to know how any dead person can hear anything? To posit that the Gentiles can hear (understand) spiritual truth implies that they are inherently different in their nature from the Jews.
You cant hear the Gospel Spiritually without being born again, regenerated. Faith is fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22
Jesus tells us who hears the words of God Jn 8:47 and some cant
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
pistis and pistótita are not the same words or meaning. Faith is not a fruit of the Spirit.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.
Faith is NOWHERE listed anywhere.
JEWS cannot hear
Romans 11
“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that would not see
and ears that would not hear,
down to this very day.”
Every GENTILE can hear until the fulness is finished.
It implies what Paul said, Jews cannot see nor hear.
That means everyone else can or Paul would have said so.
I am getting rid of division in the Church by getting rid of the heathens.
pístis means to believe
pistótita means faithfulness
They have different meanings so faith cannot be used for faithfulness.
I looked up the Strong's since YOU CLAIM it's their definition of pistis
Here's the literal definition of pistis from Strongs Concordance:
pistis
The KJV translates Strong's G4102 in the following manner: faith (239x), assurance (1x), believe (with G1537) (1x), belief (1x), them that believe (1x)
NOTHING ABOUT FAITHFULNESS, only about Faith to believe
So you deny that faith is an efficacious gift from God? And do you deny that one can be faithful to God apart from receiving the gift of faith prior in time?
Is that what you think the text says? I know I certainly didn't say that?
The Crusades part 3?I am getting rid of division in the Church by getting rid of the heathens.
Well, he did. Go back and read my 1919.
And I'm still waiting for you to answer this simple question: Can the physically dead hear anything? If not, why would you think the spiritually dead can "hear" (understand)? Or do you think the Jews of mankind and the Gentiles of mankind have an inherently different nature?
He is not following reformed theology. He claims that you are.
Why don't you understand what he said?... "and see you basically copy/pasting it and acting like you said it "
I am getting rid of division in the Church by getting rid of the heathens.
And exactly how are you "getting rid of the heathens"?
The Jews were natural man and ""God caused them not to hear""
But like I said, Paul did not say the Gentiles could not hear.
Heres the real truth:
44 While Peter was still saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word.
The GENTILES are the ones who heard
because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles.
So the Gentiles CAN HEAR the Gospel