Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

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brightfame52

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You still have nothing

The condemned are condemned because of unbelief

not because they committed personal sin.

when you have something, come see me.. we will talk
I have the understanding that you dont believe in the saving death of Christ, how can you when you say these horrible things:

Christ died for everyone.

But not everyone will be saved.
 

FollowerofShiloh

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And where does Jesus say what you claim?

And since you brought up flops, what does avoidance of my two questions say about you?
The fact you don't know who God is but here claiming to know His Will reveals to me you don't have the ability to understand the truth. So why would I waste my time any more?
 

brightfame52

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@Everlasting-Grace

You still have nothing

The condemned are condemned because of unbelief
No its not, they are condemned because of their sins against the Law, and Christ didnt die for them to their sins away, and Honor the Law of God on their behalf.
 

brightfame52

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@Everlasting-Grace

You still have nothing

The condemned are condemned because of unbelief
I disagree with you, but lets say they are condemned for unbelief, my question is, can Christ save a sinner from unbelief ? If not, how is one saved from unbelief ?
 

FollowerofShiloh

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Everyone hears the Gospel preached and then is given the faith from God to believe. Those who believe will repent and be regenerated. Those who reject will die eternally.

Romans 10:17 - So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ

There are NO verses that say everyone who hears the Gospel will always believe.
 

Rufus

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The fact you don't know who God is but here claiming to know His Will reveals to me you don't have the ability to understand the truth. So why would I waste my time any more?
Wow! "The FACT that you don't know God"! I suppose you fancy yourself as being omniscient, knowing all people's hearts? Or are you a chosen prophet of God in this New Covenant age? Has He given you a "word of knowledge"? But I say to you -- If you had a small fractionof the knowledge you think you have it, it would go a long way in countering the heavy weight of your pompous, holier-than-thou attitude. I'm thinking you never got Jesus' memo in the Sermon of the Mount about meekness and humility?
 

FollowerofShiloh

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Wow! "The FACT that you don't know God"! I suppose you fancy yourself as being omniscient, knowing all people's hearts? Or are you a chosen prophet of God in this New Covenant age? Has He given you a "word of knowledge"? But I say to you -- If you had a small fractionof the knowledge you think you have it, it would go a long way in countering the heavy weight of your pompous, holier-than-thou attitude. I'm thinking you never got Jesus' memo in the Sermon of the Mount about meekness and humility?
I could care less. No verse tells me to be kind to false doctrine.
 

brightfame52

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Everyone hears the Gospel preached and then is given the faith from God to believe. Those who believe will repent and be regenerated. Those who reject will die eternally.

Romans 10:17 - So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ

There are NO verses that say everyone who hears the Gospel will always believe.
Fables
 

FollowerofShiloh

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Jesus proves you can hear His words and still REJECT Him
48 The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day

The Pharisees heard Him, Sadducees, Scribes, Zealots all HEARD the Gospel and Rejected Jesus!

The Gentile Roman soldiers who watched also heard and they rejected Him.
 

brightfame52

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Jesus proves you can hear His words and still REJECT Him
48 The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day

The Pharisees heard Him, Sadducees, Scribes, Zealots all HEARD the Gospel and Rejected Jesus!

The Gentile Roman soldiers who watched also heard and they rejected Him.
Those who hear and dont believe, its because they were not the Sheep He died for Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
 

BillyBob

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It isn't any more complicated than that. Anyone who tells you that Jesus' sacrifice doesn't apply to all people is either deliberately lying or doesn't understand the truth that is so clearly stated in the Bible.
Romans 1:7 Paul's Greeting
To all those in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints:
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
 

brightfame52

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Because you can't have faith until you first hear the Gospel.

Romans 10:17 - So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ
You said God gives one faith first and then they decide to believe with it or not, which is hogwash,

@FollowerofShiloh

Everyone hears the Gospel preached and then is given the faith from God to believe.
Thats a lie
 

FollowerofShiloh

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Those who hear and dont believe, its because they were not the Sheep He died for Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
They did not believe in the WORKS!

25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me
 

brightfame52

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Because you can't have faith until you first hear the Gospel.

Romans 10:17 - So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ
You cant hear the Gospel Spiritually without being born again, regenerated.