Do we have a choice?

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Johann said:
How about you report me since you are itching to get rid of me-I'll give you time and after that put you on ignore. Do we have a agreement?
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I have no desire to report that is not my point.
 
HeIsHere said:
I have no desire to report that is not my point.
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Then allow me to put you to rest-since I find nothing that can edify me from you and I believe we need to be selective with whom we dealing with, online.

Gal 1:6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—
Gal 1:7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:10 For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.
 
Johann said:
Then allow me to put you to rest-since I find nothing that can edify me from you and I believe we need to be selective with whom we dealing with, online.

Gal 1:6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—
Gal 1:7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:10 For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.
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Interesting rather than say "oh yes here is the source" you double down, but you are selective and you classify yourself as pleasing God in this effort. Okay :cautious:
 
Johann said:
Can you show me any scriptural evidence re your assertion? Have you take the time to read up on some of the speakers on free will?
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Sure I'll show you some more after showing you a lot.

But if you don't accept this, there ain't nothing that will convince you.

And unfortunately your going to lead many to think they have something they don't.


There is no such thing as human free will.




But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.23 Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed.24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ [8] that we might be justified by faith.25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.26You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus,27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
 
Thunderrr-mental said:
Sure I'll show you some more after showing you a lot.

But if you don't accept this, there ain't nothing that will convince you.

And unfortunately your going to lead many to think they have something they don't.


There is no such thing as human free will.




But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.23 Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed.24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ [8] that we might be justified by faith.25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.26You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus,27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
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You sound "Reformed"-know that? Steel manning my point.
 
Thunderrr-mental said:
isn't that just another label 🤔
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Friend-we are all believers IN Christ-or I should hope so with a style of life conformed to and in the sphere of the Holy Spirit.
But tell me-how long is this debate going on-between Calvin and Arminian? Can you tell me where this all began?
Thanks.
J.
 
Thunderrr-mental said:
reformed theology in my book is the whole bible beginning to the end, which shouldn't be categorised into isms, like confessionalism.
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So you are either reformed in your exegesis of Scriptures-or Arminian-or whatever isms and schisms?
Interesting.
 
Johann said:
In the past couple of weeks I have interacted with several people who have been persuaded by the idea that God's foreknowledge of events leads to the notion that we have no choice in our actions (since God already knows what we will do). This is an easy mistake to make when thinking about this issue. However it does not logically follow that because God knows what we will do in the future, we have no freedom.

In this video William Lane Craig provides an explanation why this notion is a mistake. The video is approximately 4 minutes long. Enjoy!

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Yes, clearly we have a choice. Even if GOD knows what will happen, it does not mean that we do not have a choice, He does not force us to make a choice but asks us to make the right choice and Live, there are many examples in the bible about this where GOD gives a choice to people. Below one example;

Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Peace
 
Johann said:
Friend-we are all believers IN Christ-or I should hope so with a style of life conformed to and in the sphere of the Holy Spirit.
But tell me-how long is this debate going on-between Calvin and Arminian? Can you tell me where this all began?
Thanks.
J.
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all I can tell you kid, is the warrior may as well be Dead without a fight, it's the eye of tiger kid

There's got to be a fight until the end 😋
 
Johann said:
In the past couple of weeks I have interacted with several people who have been persuaded by the idea that God's foreknowledge of events leads to the notion that we have no choice in our actions (since God already knows what we will do). This is an easy mistake to make when thinking about this issue. However it does not logically follow that because God knows what we will do in the future, we have no freedom.

In this video William Lane Craig provides an explanation why this notion is a mistake. The video is approximately 4 minutes long. Enjoy!

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The right knowledge creates a choice
 
Johann said:
We would not obtrude upon him; we would not force his door; and if, after we are sure that we are heard, we are not admitted, we turn quietly away. Both of these things are implied here by the language used by the Saviour when he approaches man as represented under the image of knocking at the door: that he desires to be admitted to our friendship; and that he recognizes our freedom in the matter. He does not obtrude himself upon us, nor does he employ force to find admission to the heart. If admitted, he comes and dwells with us; if rejected, he turns quietly away - perhaps to return and knock again, perhaps never to come back.
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Who are you quoting here without giving credit? (<<<=-= Also known as plagiarism. Which is against the site rules, btw.)

I have asked before and gotten no answer.

I found it here (<= link).
 
Yep, he does that a lot—plagiarizes, that is. Also, he has many aliases.
 
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