Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

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rogerg said:
By the fact that Christ shed His blood for them, is what makes them not heathens - but not because of anything they might do.
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Well in themselves they were heathens, sinners, ungodly, but even then, to God and Christ they were and are precious elect
 
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If someone believes they must do something to become saved, and if they don't do that, then they won't be saved, but by
doing it, then they become saved, in effect, they then become their own saviour, don't they? Isn't that what you believe that
you must do something, like produce your own faith in Christ rather than of it being a gift? So then, how could any other interpretation be drawn?
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Amen Roger, you nailed it
 
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BillyBob said:
I honestly believe that man's worst sin is putting trust in himself rather than God. It's just a natural instinct which is hard to overcome in fallen man!
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Yes, BillyBob, I completely agree with you, but of himself, man cannot overcome it - I believe it is not within his power to do so and
it can only be given to him as a gift from God through a new heart and renewed mind from salvation.
That sin is the sin by which all the unsaved will be condemned. It is at the heart of the law of sin and death, which we all come into this world being under. When someone becomes saved, they are taken from the law of sin and death and placed under the law of the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ whereby are they set free from it and given faith and trust in Christ as Saviour.

[Rom 8:2-3 KJV]
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
 
MerSee said:
The elect obey God because they do not trust themselves.
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The elect obey God because of the Sanctifying work of the Spirit in them 1 Pet 1:2

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
 
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brightfame52 said:
That scripture pertains only to the saved, they have Christ as their Advocate and Intercessor, even if they sin 1 jJn 2:1-2

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Christ isnt the advocate for lost people, He never knew them Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

You think Hes their advocate and propitiation ?
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You can climb to the highest mountain top, set up a speaker system so all 8 billion people alive can hear you and scream as loud as you want to about what you think 1 John 2:2 means but it would be a waste of your time.

We have the "Exact Words in Greek" that John wrote and they only have ONE Specific Meaning, Jesus died for EVERY HUMAN BEING that has ever lived.

There's literally NOTHING you can do to change what John wrote. Nothing! His words will last until the end of the AGE. Nothing you can do. You're wrong so live with it.
 
brightfame52 said:
The Gift of repentance comes with the New Birth, a new heart and inner man. This is the New Man that has repentance, his actions have been ordained by God to walk in, not forced
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Peter said the moment you Repent, you receive Jesus and are filled with the Holy Spirit.
He would know. Jesus personally taught him.
 
rogerg said:
Whatever was intended by God to be covered by Christ's offering can neither die nor be destroyed. If either could, then His offering didn't achieve what God had intended it to achieve. But we know it wasn't a failure and perfectly achieved what it was intended for because God had fully accepted it - hence Christ's title of Saviour. It can't be both ways: that He is the Saviour and yet all covered by it don't become saved - that would be a logical contradiction of the highest order.
This current "kosmos" (world) is to be destroyed by God but two are mentioned in the Bible not one: this one, along with its unsaved, which will be destroyed, and a new one with those saved by Christ who will inhabit it - both eternal. Christ is the Saviour and as Saviour, whatever was covered by His offering, can neither die nor be destroyed but must live/exist eternally.
Now, I cannot speak to what the new one will be like - it might just be Christ together with His saved in the air (see 1 Th 4:17 below), and not a world as we know it today.

[2Pe 3:7, 10-12 KJV]
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. ...
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 [Seeing] then [that] all these things shall be dissolved, what manner [of persons] ought ye to be in [all] holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

[1Th 4:17 KJV]
17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
[Mar 10:30 KJV]
30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
[Luk 18:30 KJV]
30 Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.
[Heb 2:5 KJV]
5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
[Heb 6:5 KJV]
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
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You can climb to the highest mountain top, set up a speaker system so all 8 billion people alive can hear you and scream as loud as you want to about what you think 1 John 2:2 means but it would be a waste of your time.

We have the "Exact Words in Greek" that John wrote and they only have ONE Specific Meaning, Jesus died for EVERY HUMAN BEING that has ever lived.

There's literally NOTHING you can do to change what John wrote. Nothing! His words will last until the end of the AGE. Nothing you can do. You're wrong so live with it.
 
It's true. John's words are written and we know the specific meaning to each word. So no one can change it. It's written and will never change.
 
FollowerofShiloh said:
You can climb to the highest mountain top, set up a speaker system so all 8 billion people alive can hear you and scream as loud as you want to about what you think 1 John 2:2 means but it would be a waste of your time.

We have the "Exact Words in Greek" that John wrote and they only have ONE Specific Meaning, Jesus died for EVERY HUMAN BEING that has ever lived.

There's literally NOTHING you can do to change what John wrote. Nothing! His words will last until the end of the AGE. Nothing you can do. You're wrong so live with it.
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The whole world of 1 Jn 2:2 is a saved world who has Christ as their present advocate before God and propitiation 1 Jn 1:1-2, there is no lost individuals in this whole world.

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
 
FollowerofShiloh said:
Peter said the moment you Repent, you receive Jesus and are filled with the Holy Spirit.
He would know. Jesus personally taught him.
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Has nothing to do with it. Peter taught that Christ gives repentance which causes repentance Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
 
brightfame52 said:
The whole world of 1 Jn 2:2 is a saved world who has Christ as their present advocate before God and propitiation 1 Jn 1:1-2, there is no lost individuals in this whole world.

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
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I don't care what you say. IF it "does not align with the specific Greek words" that John used then you are wrong.
 
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