Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
- Thread starter MerSee
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Jn6:37a,b ^ is the same as (the distinction also spelled out in) John 6:39, John 6:40--see those verses:
--"that all THAT" (refers to "THINGS"--like "throne" ('and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David'-Lk1:32); "kingdom," etc... "things" like that);
--"that all WHO" (refers to "PERSONS")
[He's not just REPEATING in v.40 what He had just stated in v.39... but is DISTINGUISHING between...; same within v.37 (a,b); so IN VIEW of this, READ THESE VERSES CAREFULLY
]Yes, He is, and by that, and that He being the one who brough salvation to fruition, it is His right, and prerogative, to bestow it upon
whomsoever He has chosen for it, with no disagreement nor modification to it possible from/by us. He is God.
[Rom 9:14-15, 18, 21 KJV]
14 What shall we say then? [Is there] unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. ...
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth. ...
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
whomsoever He has chosen for it, with no disagreement nor modification to it possible from/by us. He is God.
[Rom 9:14-15, 18, 21 KJV]
14 What shall we say then? [Is there] unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. ...
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth. ...
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
You know Paul is telling this while explaining why God has now chosen to allow the Gentiles to become heirs of the Kingdom. Paul is saying if God can do this in (your verses) then God can bring in the Gentiles.
Why do you cherry pick verses and not present Entire Chapters because that's where the "true meaning" for what is written comes from?
Why do you cherry pick verses and not present Entire Chapters because that's where the "true meaning" for what is written comes from?
Jn6:37a,b ^ is the same as (the distinction also spelled out in) John 6:39, John 6:40--see those verses:
--"that all THAT" (refers to "THINGS"--like "throne" ('and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David'-Lk1:32); "kingdom," etc... "things" like that);
--"that all WHO" (refers to "PERSONS")
[He's not just REPEATING in v.40 what He had just stated in v.39... but is DISTINGUISHING between...; same within v.37 (a,b); so IN VIEW of this, READ THESE VERSES CAREFULLY ]
--"that all THAT" (refers to "THINGS"--like "throne" ('and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David'-Lk1:32); "kingdom," etc... "things" like that);
--"that all WHO" (refers to "PERSONS")
[He's not just REPEATING in v.40 what He had just stated in v.39... but is DISTINGUISHING between...; same within v.37 (a,b); so IN VIEW of this, READ THESE VERSES CAREFULLY
]
who are to become saved, I would definitely disagree with that. But perhaps I am still missing your point.
The "all" in v37 sets the predicate for the other "all" and this is confirmed by v40 and v44:
[Jhn 6:40, 44 KJV]
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. ...
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Do you speak in tongues, Roger?
Your prophet John Calvin did!
Here's a bit of enlightenment for those Reformed Calvinist in this thread
On several occasions, Calvin, in his devotions, found himself uttering a lingua non nota et cognota mini. That is, the language was not known or understood by him. Himself a skilled linguist, Calvin set about to discover the orthography of the utterance.
He was speaking in tongues.
Your prophet John Calvin did!
Here's a bit of enlightenment for those Reformed Calvinist in this thread
On several occasions, Calvin, in his devotions, found himself uttering a lingua non nota et cognota mini. That is, the language was not known or understood by him. Himself a skilled linguist, Calvin set about to discover the orthography of the utterance.
He was speaking in tongues.
Well, given as there is only one salvation stated in the Bible, it should come of no surprise if multiple readers
come to the same conclusions regarding salvation. The foundation and apex of which, is Christ alone
as Saviour (yes, spelled Saviour with a capital "S"), and that man is not his own saviour. It's quite simple, really.
[2Co 11:3 KJV] 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
come to the same conclusions regarding salvation. The foundation and apex of which, is Christ alone
as Saviour (yes, spelled Saviour with a capital "S"), and that man is not his own saviour. It's quite simple, really.
[2Co 11:3 KJV] 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
-
1
- Show all