Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

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FollowerofShiloh said:
Yes!

It's explaining how they went from dead to alive in Christ.
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You said "
Nowhere in the Bible does it say God "FORCES" them to believe.

The one who repents repents on his own doing, not from being forced to do it.

Show me a verse that says God forces you to be saved? "

I gave you those verses - verses where we are informed that those whom God saves, He does so with no input, actions nor approval from those He saves - it is all by God as a gift. From that salvation, we are given faith and we believe.
Okay, at this point, I'm done.
 
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rogerg said:
You said "
Nowhere in the Bible does it say God "FORCES" them to believe.

The one who repents repents on his own doing, not from being forced to do it.

Show me a verse that says God forces you to be saved? "

I gave you those verses - verses where we are informed that those whom God saves, He does so with no input, actions nor approval from those He saves - it is all by God as a gift. From that salvation, we are given faith and we believe.
Okay, at this point, I'm done.
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You showed me the process of regeneration.

Did the Holy Spirit force Himself on Mary or did she say yes?
Why would the Holy Spirit force Himself when He always asks first?
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
You showed me the process of regeneration.

Did the Holy Spirit force Himself on Mary or did she say yes?
Why would the Holy Spirit force Himself when He always asks first?
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There is no "process" involved with being taken from death to life. We are either dead or we are alive. The instant we are not of one,
we become of the other - like turning a light from off to on - it is instantaneous with nothing in-between - we' were dead and then made alive.
 
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rogerg said:
There is no "process" involved with being taken from death to life. We are either dead or we are alive. The instant we are not of one,
we become of the other - like turning a light from off to on - it is instantaneous with nothing in-between - we' were dead and then made alive.
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There is ALWAYS God knocking on your heart asking to come inside and you saying yes FIRST!

How the Holy Spirit did with Mary is how the Holy Spirit does it before coming inside your heart. He ALWAYS asks first.

God is the opposite of Satan who steals, tricks, deceives to get into your heart.
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
There is ALWAYS God knocking on your heart asking to come inside and you saying yes FIRST!

How the Holy Spirit did with Mary is how the Holy Spirit does it before coming inside your heart. He ALWAYS asks first.

God is the opposite of Satan who steals, tricks, deceives to get into your heart.
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No. A dead person can't answer a knock. Luckly, God never asks ever. He is God and does that which is of His
good pleasure whenever He desires to do it. He doesn't need our acquiescence for Him to do so.
Did you read the "dead in trespasses and sin" part?
 
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Let's look at Colossians 2:13

6 Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him,
7 rooted and built up in him and established in the faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.
8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.
9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,
10 and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority.
11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,
12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead.
13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses

Look how the process begins in verse 6 Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord

You must receive Jesus FIRST before you get to verse 13.
 
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You accept Jesus first
Then the Holy Spirit regenerates you
It's a Process

The ONLY way YOUR WAY works if you're saying that Jesus and Holy Spirit are the same Person...
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
6 Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him,
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Verse 6 is not referring to being given spiritual life; it is referring to how those who have it should behave.

[Col 2:7 KJV] 7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.

Regarding your question, the verses I gave you answers it completely.
 
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rogerg said:
Verse 6 is not referring to being given spiritual life; it is referring to how those who have it should behave.

[Col 2:7 KJV] 7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.

Regarding your question, the verses I gave you answers it completely.
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How can the Holy Spirit enter you until you first accept Jesus?

It's a 1-2 step process

Are you saying Jesus and Holy Spirit are same person?

You don't accept the Holy Spirit you accept Jesus.
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
You accept Jesus first
Then the Holy Spirit regenerates you
It's a Process
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No. First saved, with salvation, indwelt by the Holy Spirit, everything else regarding the attributes of salvation, such as faith, etc,
coming from that. It's all a gift.
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
How can the Holy Spirit enter you until you first accept Jesus?

It's a 1-2 step process

Are you saying Jesus and Holy Spirit are same person?

You don't accept the Holy Spirit you accept Jesus.
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No one can nor will "accept Jesus" until and unless they've first become saved. Accepting Him is a byproduct of salvation but not a cause of salvation.
 
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rogerg said:
No. First saved, with salvation, indwelt by the Holy Spirit, everything else regarding the attributes of salvation, such as faith, etc,
coming from that. It's all a gift.
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No, you hear the Gospel, accept Jesus first
Then the Holy Spirit comes and regenerates you
 
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rogerg said:
No one can nor will "accept Jesus" until and unless they've first become saved. Accepting Him is a byproduct of salvation but not a cause of salvation.
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You cannot be saved until you FIRST accept Jesus.
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
Heresy!

You can hear the Gospel preached at any stage of sinful life
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No, you can't. You can only hear AFTER being saved/born-again. The unsaved cannot spiritually hear the gospel. You believe that it is possible to be both dead and alive at the same time, but it is impossible for both to co-exist in a person. One is either dead or alive, not both. If dead, then oblivious to things spiritual.

[Jhn 8:43 KJV] 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.

[1Co 2:13-14 KJV] 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
 
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rogerg said:
No, you can't. You can only hear AFTER being saved/born-again. The unsaved cannot spiritually hear the gospel. You believe that it is possible to be both dead and alive at the same time, but it is impossible for both to co-exist in a person. One is either dead or alive, not both. If dead, then oblivious to things spiritual.

[Jhn 8:43 KJV] 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.

[1Co 2:13-14 KJV] 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
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Acts 2:
38 And Peter said to them: Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, for remission of your sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

1. Repent and Get sins forgiven in Jesus Name
2. Then Receive the Holy Spirit for Regeneration/Infilling of the Spirit of God

IT'S ALWAYS JESUS first then the HOLY SPIRIT second!
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
Acts 2:
38 And Peter said to them: Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, for remission of your sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

1. Get sins forgiven in Jesus Name
2. Receive the Holy Spirit

IT'S ALWAYS JESUS first then the HOLY SPIRIT second!
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Who gave the hearing and pricked the hearts in verse 37?
 
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