THE REAL BAPTISM
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Receiving the indwelling of the Holy Ghost is necessary and is a separate experience from being water baptized in the name of Jesus for remission of sin. All conversion accounts include both. You may want to take another look at the scriptures. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-6, 22:16)
The passage, found in Matthew 3:11, is part of John the Baptist's proclamation as he prepared the way for Jesus' ministry. In this verse, John contrasts his own baptism with the baptism that Jesus will bring, highlighting two distinct baptisms: one with water and the other with the Holy Spirit and fire.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost (some translations Spirit), and with fire:
The promise of the Holy Spirit, which Jesus discussed with Nicodemus and which John the Baptist alluded to, was fulfilled at Pentecost (Acts 2) when the Holy Spirit was poured out on the disciples. This event marked the beginning of the Church and the Spirit's ongoing work in and through believers to bear witness to the gospel, live holy lives, and serve in the power of the Spirit.
Baptism with Water unto Repentance: John's baptism was a symbolic act of cleansing, representing the individual's repentance from sin and their decision to turn away from their past life towards God. It was an external sign of an inward change, preparing the people for the coming of the Messiah by encouraging them to reflect on their lives and seek forgiveness for their sins. John's baptism, therefore, was about preparation and repentance.
Baptism with the Holy Spirit: The baptism that Jesus brings is described as being with the Holy Spirit. This signifies a deeper, spiritual transformation that goes beyond the external sign of water baptism. It involves the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in believers, empowering them for service, guiding them in truth, and transforming their hearts and lives to conform to the will of God. This baptism marks the beginning of the believer's new life in Christ, enabling them to live in a relationship with God.
John's statement highlights the superiority of Jesus' ministry and the transformative power of the baptism He offers. John prepares the way, but Jesus inaugurates a new era of the Holy Spirit, where believers are not only cleansed externally but are transformed from within by the Spirit's power.
While water baptism signifies repentance and a desire for a new life, the baptism with the Holy Spirit actually effects change within the believer, equipping them with divine power and gifts for godly living and service.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost (some translations Spirit), and with fire:
The promise of the Holy Spirit, which Jesus discussed with Nicodemus and which John the Baptist alluded to, was fulfilled at Pentecost (Acts 2) when the Holy Spirit was poured out on the disciples. This event marked the beginning of the Church and the Spirit's ongoing work in and through believers to bear witness to the gospel, live holy lives, and serve in the power of the Spirit.
Baptism with Water unto Repentance: John's baptism was a symbolic act of cleansing, representing the individual's repentance from sin and their decision to turn away from their past life towards God. It was an external sign of an inward change, preparing the people for the coming of the Messiah by encouraging them to reflect on their lives and seek forgiveness for their sins. John's baptism, therefore, was about preparation and repentance.
Baptism with the Holy Spirit: The baptism that Jesus brings is described as being with the Holy Spirit. This signifies a deeper, spiritual transformation that goes beyond the external sign of water baptism. It involves the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in believers, empowering them for service, guiding them in truth, and transforming their hearts and lives to conform to the will of God. This baptism marks the beginning of the believer's new life in Christ, enabling them to live in a relationship with God.
John's statement highlights the superiority of Jesus' ministry and the transformative power of the baptism He offers. John prepares the way, but Jesus inaugurates a new era of the Holy Spirit, where believers are not only cleansed externally but are transformed from within by the Spirit's power.
While water baptism signifies repentance and a desire for a new life, the baptism with the Holy Spirit actually effects change within the believer, equipping them with divine power and gifts for godly living and service.
Wrong. You continue to misrepresent this topic as you would like to. The Baptism in the Holy Spirit started in the Book of Acts 40 AD.
It is not in the 1900s, as you incorrectly like to say. In addition, there is nothing in the Bible that says the Gift of the Holy Spirit is no longer for today, and tongues are one on them. 1cor chapters 12 through 14. Acts 1:8 and John 1:33
good try but no prize.
When we are truly saved, receive the Holy Spirit saved, the Holy Spirit regenerates the person into a new creature giving them their calling and Gift(s). That is being Baptized into the Holy Spirit.
Water Baptism is a conscience process for our mind and soul exemplifying being dead and risen again.
The first examples happened in Acts and each new believer until Jesus returns goes through the same process.
Water Baptism is a conscience process for our mind and soul exemplifying being dead and risen again.
The first examples happened in Acts and each new believer until Jesus returns goes through the same process.
Wrong. You continue to misrepresent this topic as you would like to. The Baptism in the Holy Spirit started in the Book of Acts 40 AD.
It is not in the 1900s, as you incorrectly like to say. In addition, there is nothing in the Bible that says the Gift of the Holy Spirit is no longer for today, and tongues are one on them. 1cor chapters 12 through 14. Acts 1:8 and John 1:33 good try but no prize.
It is not in the 1900s, as you incorrectly like to say. In addition, there is nothing in the Bible that says the Gift of the Holy Spirit is no longer for today, and tongues are one on them. 1cor chapters 12 through 14. Acts 1:8 and John 1:33
good try but no prize.
This is the conclusion from that what wanswic said.
Wrong. You continue to misrepresent this topic as you would like to. The Baptism in the Holy Spirit started in the Book of Acts 40 AD.
It is not in the 1900s, as you incorrectly like to say. In addition, there is nothing in the Bible that says the Gift of the Holy Spirit is no longer for today, and tongues are one on them. 1cor chapters 12 through 14. Acts 1:8 and John 1:33 good try but no prize.
It is not in the 1900s, as you incorrectly like to say. In addition, there is nothing in the Bible that says the Gift of the Holy Spirit is no longer for today, and tongues are one on them. 1cor chapters 12 through 14. Acts 1:8 and John 1:33
good try but no prize.
Charismatics of course came later.
I know that you will not agree 😀
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Paul acknowledges different roles within the Christian community. While baptism is a critical sacrament within the Christian faith, symbolizing a believer's death to sin and new life in Christ, Paul sees his primary calling as the proclamation of the gospel. This doesn't mean that baptism is unimportant or unnecessary; rather, Paul emphasizes that his particular commission was to spread the gospel message. This division of labor is akin to what Paul mentions in 1 Corinthians 3:5-6, where he speaks of planting and watering as different tasks given to different servants of God for the same purpose of growth in faith.
The context of 1 Corinthians 1 suggests that Paul was addressing divisions within the Corinthian church, where people were identifying themselves with specific leaders (1 Corinthians 1:12-13). By stating he was not sent to baptize but to preach, Paul aims to refocus the believers in Christ and the gospel rather than on human leaders who perform baptisms. This statement serves to diminish factionalism and redirect attention to the unifying message of the cross.
By de-emphasizing his role in baptizing, Paul also prevents any potential misunderstanding that might associate baptism too closely with the identity of the person performing the baptism. This helps ensure that the focus remains on the individual's faith in Christ and the meaning of baptism in relation to Christ's death and resurrection, rather than on the prominence or authority of the baptizer.
When Paul states that Christ sent him not to baptize but to preach the gospel, he is not minimizing the importance of baptism but rather emphasizing his specific calling to spread the gospel message as the foundation of Christian faith and unity. This distinction allows Paul to address issues of division within the church, underline the priority of the gospel message, and focus on the spiritual transformation that comes from faith in Christ, beyond the sacramental act.
The context of 1 Corinthians 1 suggests that Paul was addressing divisions within the Corinthian church, where people were identifying themselves with specific leaders (1 Corinthians 1:12-13). By stating he was not sent to baptize but to preach, Paul aims to refocus the believers in Christ and the gospel rather than on human leaders who perform baptisms. This statement serves to diminish factionalism and redirect attention to the unifying message of the cross.
By de-emphasizing his role in baptizing, Paul also prevents any potential misunderstanding that might associate baptism too closely with the identity of the person performing the baptism. This helps ensure that the focus remains on the individual's faith in Christ and the meaning of baptism in relation to Christ's death and resurrection, rather than on the prominence or authority of the baptizer.
When Paul states that Christ sent him not to baptize but to preach the gospel, he is not minimizing the importance of baptism but rather emphasizing his specific calling to spread the gospel message as the foundation of Christian faith and unity. This distinction allows Paul to address issues of division within the church, underline the priority of the gospel message, and focus on the spiritual transformation that comes from faith in Christ, beyond the sacramental act.
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I've already read all the scripture on baptism.
You believe you can save people by baptising them in water.Those people who have put their faith in you will perish.
The baptism that saves people is the baptism of God.The holy spirit baptism.
Mark 16
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Washing in water does nothing but clean the outer skin.Nothnng more.
You believe you can save people by baptising them in water.Those people who have put their faith in you will perish.
The baptism that saves people is the baptism of God.The holy spirit baptism.
Mark 16
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Washing in water does nothing but clean the outer skin.Nothnng more.
Washing the outer skin does nothing to save anyone .
Mark 16
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
You can claim you are saving people by giving them a bath or a shower but you are not saving anyone.
The only baptism that saves people is the baptism of the holy spirit which washes people clean every wit.
There is only one baptism that saves.
Paul acknowledged he made a terrible mistake baptising people when he was not sent to do so.It caused great disputes among the church as it still does today.
1 corinth 1
14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
All conversion accounts?
That would be false.I was converted without a water baptism.
Johns may have been leading the way for Christ,but Christ is already come.
John is gone and his baptism is a thing of the past.There is a greater baptism performed in these days.
Although I will baptised myself here shortly .I will use soap and shampoo in addition to water.
That would be false.I was converted without a water baptism.
Johns may have been leading the way for Christ,but Christ is already come.
John is gone and his baptism is a thing of the past.There is a greater baptism performed in these days.
Although I will baptised myself here shortly .I will use soap and shampoo in addition to water.
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More and more divisions
One church teaching another church doesn't baptised the right way.You can't sprinkle with water you have to be fully submerged.Now there are people being baptized in water for other people who are dead and never got baptized by someone.
It doesn't do anything but cause problems.
Water baptism doesn't save anyone.It has only caused division and Paul pointed that problem out.
One church teaching another church doesn't baptised the right way.You can't sprinkle with water you have to be fully submerged.Now there are people being baptized in water for other people who are dead and never got baptized by someone.
It doesn't do anything but cause problems.
Water baptism doesn't save anyone.It has only caused division and Paul pointed that problem out.
It's a symbolic act of declaring your faith in Jesus Christ and identifying yourself with his death and resurrection. Their faith needs to be on Jesus Christ not the person baptizing otherwise they are doing it for the wrong reason.
Baptism is a symbolic act that represents being cleansed of sin and starting fresh with Christ. Just as water washes away dirt, baptism signifies the washing away of our spiritual impurities. While baptism is an outward act, it points to the inward change that happens when we accept Jesus. It's a public declaration of a new life lived for Him.
Baptism is a symbolic act that represents being cleansed of sin and starting fresh with Christ. Just as water washes away dirt, baptism signifies the washing away of our spiritual impurities. While baptism is an outward act, it points to the inward change that happens when we accept Jesus. It's a public declaration of a new life lived for Him.