Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

[FollowerofShiloh]

What do you mean when you say "A People" is singular? It seems like "A Person" would be singular

Verse 11 says ALL People, and then in Verse 14 it speaks of A People.
There's a reason why God had Paul write it that way.

11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people

14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people

What I mean by singular is that "A People" is a portion that comes from "All People," which would be the plural.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Unbelievers condemn themselves.

But they still have the chance to be Believers. They choose not to be.

 

[BillyBob]

Verse 11 says ALL People, and then in Verse 14 it speaks of A People.
There's a reason why God had Paul write it that way.

11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people

14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people

What I mean by singular is that "A People" is a portion that comes from "All People," which would be the plural.

Are you claiming that God brings salvation to All, but His power is so weak that it will only work for some?

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Are you claiming that God brings salvation to All, but His power is so weak that it will only work for some?

I am claiming that God brought Salvation to all people but the Elect have yielded to God, the rest have rejected God. Literally has nothing to do with the power of God.

God brought Salvation to the Hebrews and they confirmed it.

22 And Joshua said unto the people: 'Ye are witnesses against yourselves that ye have chosen you the LORD, to serve Him.--And they said: 'We are witnesses.'
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They confirmed that they have Chosen to Serve the Lord.

 

[Cameron143]

But He also prepared the Jews for who would be at the Wedding Ceremony.

He may have told them but they never heard. They still aren't prepared.

 

[brightfame52]

You are no Scholar so stop pretending like you qualify as one.

Grace is for the elect, a remnant Rom 11:5

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Thats the same grace referred to in Titus 2:11 and for the same people the elect Titus 1:1

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

 

[brightfame52]

Because He is God! John 3:17, “Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world but in order that the world might be saved through him."

And that world has been saved by Christ, its the world of the saved Sheep/ His Body the church, He has been successful in saving that world.

 

[rogerg]

Jesus Christ's death and resurrection were for the purpose of offering salvation to all humanity. The biblical narrative consistently affirms the universal scope of Jesus's sacrificial love and the availability of salvation to anyone who chooses to believe in Him.

That is not what the Bible proclaims:

[Act 13:48 KJV]
48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

[1Pe 1:2-3 KJV]
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

[1Pe 2:8-10 KJV]
8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, [even to them] which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
10 Which in time past [were] not a people, but [are] now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

[1Th 5:9 KJV]
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

 

[jamessb]

Unbelievers condemn themselves.

What are you trying to say? The discussion is about whether Christ's sacrifice was for everyone or just the elect.

 

[jamessb]

Which is the world He came to save, Just the elect

Both you and Cameron143 are wrong. Jesus died for everyone. Do you really think the the sacrifice of the Lord was only partially effective?

 

[brightfame52]

Both you and Cameron143 are wrong. Jesus died for everyone. Do you really think the the sacrifice of the Lord was only partially effective?

He died only for the elect, and it was 100% effective because it saved all of them.

Your view makes Jesus death ineffective, since many he died for perish anyway in their sins.

Not unless you believe and teach the false gospel of universalism.

 

[brightfame52]

Why would anyone think that when the creator of the world was sacrificed to pay the penalty for all sin, it wouldn't apply to all His creation?

Think about it! God Himself, in the flesh, was crucified. Does anyone think that can only apply to just some of His creation?

Yes the elect only. Christs death wasnt for the children of the devil which He created, but for the children of God which needed redemption.

The children of the wicked one dont belong to God in Christ Matt 13:38
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

The good seed is the elect, and the tares are the non elect, no Salvation for them friend

 

[rogerg]

Yes the elect only. Christs death wasnt for the children of the devil which He created, but for the children of God which needed redemption.

The children of the wicked one dont belong to God in Christ Matt 13:38
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

The good seed is the elect, and the tares are the non elect, no Salvation for them friend

If Christ died for everyone, brightfame52, then He did for no one, and it is up to the person to make it for them, which sounds
to me like they have to make of themselves, their own saviour

 

[MerSee]

If Christ died for everyone, brightfame52, then He did for no one, and it is up to the person to make it for them, which sounds
to me like they have to make of themselves, their own saviour

Jesus Christ died for the elect who choose Him (Jesus Christ) to be their Savior.

 

[brightfame52]

Jesus Christ died for the elect who choose Him (Jesus Christ) to be their Savior.

false, God chose them

 

[rogerg]

Jesus Christ died for the elect who choose Him (Jesus Christ) to be their Savior.

What brightfame52 said.

 

[jamessb]

He died only for the elect, and it was 100% effective because it saved all of them.

Your view makes Jesus death ineffective, since many he died for perish anyway in their sins.

Not unless you believe and teach the false gospel of universalism.

You are wrong. Is there something that you don't understand about these verses?

“Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world but in order that the world might be saved through him." John 3:17

1 John 2:1-2, "My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous, and he is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world."

So, whom should I believe, you or the great apostle John, writing inspired by God?

 

[jamessb]

He died only for the elect, and it was 100% effective because it saved all of them.

Your view makes Jesus death ineffective, since many he died for perish anyway in their sins.

Not unless you believe and teach the false gospel of universalism.

Reply #2

In order to be saved and have eternal life, a person must accept Jesus' sacrifice on her/his behalf. That does not negate the universal sacrifice! Jesus died for the entire world!

This is so fundamental, I am surprised that you don't understand it.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

That is not what the Bible proclaims:

[Act 13:48 KJV]
48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

[1Pe 1:2-3 KJV]
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

[1Pe 2:8-10 KJV]
8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, [even to them] which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
10 Which in time past [were] not a people, but [are] now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

[1Th 5:9 KJV]
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

All of these verses explain why the Elect is the Elect but nowhere does it say that is why Jesus died. You are the one saying it NOT the Bible. I go by the Bible not by YOU! You can make the Bible mean anything you want it to mean. But the words Jesus died for the Elect ARE NOWHERE written. So that makes you someone making up meanings that can not be found in the Bible.


What the Bible factually claims is this, """who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe”"" 1 Tim. 4:10
who is the Savior of all men + those who believe


1 Timothy 4 shows us God died for EVERYONE, not just the Elect!

 

[brightfame52]

You are wrong. Is there something that you don't understand about these verses?

“Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world but in order that the world might be saved through him." John 3:17

1 John 2:1-2, "My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous, and he is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world."

So, whom should I believe, you or the great apostle John, writing inspired by God?

Those scriptures' are about Gods elect. Thats it, and they are saved. All mankind wasnt Gods elect, Jesus never knew them Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.