Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

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FollowerofShiloh

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Jews and Gentiles = ALL Human Beings

The grace Jesus brought was responsible for "bringing salvation for all people."


I trust the Bible Scholars on this one. They would know better than who opposes this idealism.
 

Cameron143

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Jews and Gentiles = ALL Human Beings

The grace Jesus brought was responsible for "bringing salvation for all people."


I trust the Bible Scholars on this one. They would know better than who opposes this idealism.
It doesn't mean all are saved. It merely means the salvation that was almost exclusively brought to the nation Israel was now open to every nation, kindred, tribe, and tongue. Hence, the great commission.
 

MerSee

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Why would anyone think that when the creator of the world was sacrificed to pay the penalty for all sin, it wouldn't apply to all His creation?

Think about it! God Himself, in the flesh, was crucified. Does anyone think that can only apply to just some of His creation?
Why would Jesus Christ die for those He did not come to save?
 

brightfame52

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All people and A people have never nor ever will be the same definition. In fact, not one Biblical Scholar agrees with you. So basically, you either lack understanding, or on purpose are against the truth.
Yes they are the same people and they are Gods special elect.
 

tylerbones1313

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All people and A people have never nor ever will be the same definition. In fact, not one Biblical Scholar agrees with you. So basically, you either lack understanding, or on purpose are against the truth.
The peculiar people, where do they come from? They have to come from the ALL people.

The universal offer of grace is the foundation upon which the calling and transformation of a particular people are built. Those who respond to God's grace, through faith in Christ, become part of the "peculiar people," not because they were the only ones to whom grace was offered, but because they are the ones who accepted that offer and are thus set apart for God's purposes.
 

FollowerofShiloh

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It doesn't mean all are saved. It merely means the salvation that was almost exclusively brought to the nation Israel was now open to every nation, kindred, tribe, and tongue. Hence, the great commission.
None of them are saved until they yield to God's invitation.
 

FollowerofShiloh

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The peculiar people, where do they come from? They have to come from the ALL people.

The universal offer of grace is the foundation upon which the calling and transformation of a particular people are built. Those who respond to God's grace, through faith in Christ, become part of the "peculiar people," not because they were the only ones to whom grace was offered, but because they are the ones who accepted that offer and are thus set apart for God's purposes.
I am discussing verse 11, not verse 14.
 

FollowerofShiloh

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Why would Jesus Christ die for those He did not come to save?
Wasn't Jesus going to die even if you did not believe in Him?
He fulfilled prophecy.
His entire being here and dying was to fulfill prophecy just like when He comes back again (Second Coming) is to fulfill prophecy.
 

Cameron143

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Wasn't Jesus going to die even if you did not believe in Him?
He fulfilled prophecy.
His entire being here and dying was to fulfill prophecy just like when He comes back again (Second Coming) is to fulfill prophecy.
He came to save. In doing so, He fulfilled prophecy. This may seem a slight distinction, but without it the love of God takes on secondary importance.
 

FollowerofShiloh

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He came to save. In doing so, He fulfilled prophecy. This may seem a slight distinction, but without it the love of God takes on secondary importance.
I am not disagreeing with you. He did come and He fulfilled the first part of the Messianic prophecies. And in doing so, He made a way for all to be saved. But don't forget, Moses shows us Gentiles were always allowed to join. So this isn't a new thing. Not having to keep the Law is what's new.
49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.'
 

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Why would Jesus Christ die for those He did not come to save?
Because He is God! John 3:17, “Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world but in order that the world might be saved through him."
 

Cameron143

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I am not disagreeing with you. He did come and He fulfilled the first part of the Messianic prophecies. And in doing so, He made a way for all to be saved. But don't forget, Moses shows us Gentiles were always allowed to join. So this isn't a new thing. Not having to keep the Law is what's new.
49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.'
It is new on this scale. Gentiles who became proselytes did picture the new covenant and the inclusion of Gentiles, but Jesus Himself only came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
 

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It is new on this scale. Gentiles who became proselytes did picture the new covenant and the inclusion of Gentiles, but Jesus Himself only came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Which is the world He came to save, Just the elect
 

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Because He is God! John 3:17, “Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world but in order that the world might be saved through him."
Unbelievers condemn themselves.
 

tylerbones1313

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Why would Jesus Christ die for those He did not come to save?
From your perspective John 3:16-17 would look like this: “For God so loved a select few, that he gave his only begotten Son...“For God sent not his Son into select few to condemn the select few; but that the select few through him might be saved.

Saying that the sacrificial death and atoning work of Christ was done only for a select few and not the whole world is error.

The statement "Why would Jesus Christ die for those He did not come to save?" seems to imply that Jesus Christ's sacrifice was intended only for a limited group and not for all humanity. This implication is not consistent with the overarching message of the New Testament, which emphasizes the universal scope of Jesus's mission and the offer of salvation. The Bible presents Jesus's sacrificial death as an act of love and redemption intended for all people, without distinction. Here are several key points and scriptures that refute the idea and affirm the universal offer of salvation through Jesus Christ:

In John 3:16-17, a foundational passage for understanding the purpose of Jesus's coming, it states, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." This passage clearly indicates that Jesus's mission was motivated by God's love for the entire world and intended for the salvation of all who believe.

Jesus Christ's death and resurrection were for the purpose of offering salvation to all humanity. The biblical narrative consistently affirms the universal scope of Jesus's sacrificial love and the availability of salvation to anyone who chooses to believe in Him.
 

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Just so you understand the English Language:

"ALL" PEOPLE = (Plural) Everyone
"A" PEOPLE = (Singular) the Elect
What do you mean when you say "A People" is singular? It seems like "A Person" would be singular
 

FollowerofShiloh

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It is new on this scale. Gentiles who became proselytes did picture the new covenant and the inclusion of Gentiles, but Jesus Himself only came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
But He also prepared the Jews for who would be at the Wedding Ceremony.