Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

[FollowerofShiloh]

That's false

YES, Your definition is FALSE!

Just so you understand the English Language:

"ALL" PEOPLE = (Plural) Everyone
"A" PEOPLE = (Singular) the Elect

 

[brightfame52]

Just so you understand the English Language:

"ALL" PEOPLE = (Plural) Everyone
"A" PEOPLE = (Singular) the Elect

Notice in Vs 14 its a peculiar people. That word means:

1. a people selected by God from the other nations for his own possession

 

[brightfame52]

YES, Your definition is FALSE!

Just so you understand the English Language:

"ALL" PEOPLE = (Plural) Everyone
"A" PEOPLE = (Singular) the Elect

Its the elect, a peculiar people Vs 14

1. a people selected by God from the other nations for his own possession

 

[jamessb]

I am presenting a timeline of our backnforth.
You will also notice on your own post another poster placed a reaction because they saw your words the same as I did.
So NO, I am not being deceiving. I actually took your word for it.


Friday at 12:43 PM
FollowerofShiloh said:
Do you think you control God and can force Him to give you utterance?

Friday at 1:15 PM
jamessb said:
Yes, I absolutely control God! What kind of ridiculous question is that???

Did God command you to write such an absurdity???

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Notice, another poster had same reaction and understood you like I did which is why I asked this question

Friday at 1:19 PM
So you say to God do this and God just does it?


And you never responded.
So like some other posters I believed you at what you said.


I responded to you within 4 minutes
Friday at 1:19 PM
So you say to God do this and God just does it?


And you never clarified.

If I made a mistake I do apologize. But joking or not, WHAT true follower of God would EVER write this in a joking manner (Yes, I absolutely control God!)?

If you actually took my word for it, then you are "blind". I wrote:
Yes, I absolutely control God! What kind of ridiculous question is that???

You are being deceitful!!! You tried to twist the meaning of my words, just like the Pharisees.

I'm putting you on ignore, since I will only deal with honest people.

 

[Cameron143]

You are being deceitful!!! You tried to twist the meaning of my words, just like the Pharisees.

I'm putting you on ignore, since I will only deal with honest people.

You won't be dealing with anyone then.

 

[jamessb]

You won't be dealing with anyone then.

So you're admitting that you are dishonest? That is a very candid self-evaluation. Are you proud of your dishonesty?

" Let your word be ‘Yes, Yes’ or ‘No, No’; anything more than this comes from the evil one." Matthew 5:37

 

[Cameron143]

So you're admitting that you are dishonest? That is a very candid self-evaluation. Are you proud of your dishonesty?

" Let your word be ‘Yes, Yes’ or ‘No, No’; anything more than this comes from the evil one." Matthew 5:37

You miss the point. We're all self deceived to some extent. I was merely pointing out a universal truth.
Why would any Christian be proud of sin? My boast is in the Lord.
Also, it's ok not to assume the worst of people. Smile. Enjoy the day the LORD has made. There will never be another one like it and it was made for you to rejoice and be glad in.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Notice in Vs 14 its a peculiar people. That word means:

1. a people selected by God from the other nations for his own possession

I have never said verse 14 was about "A People."
I said verse 11 is about "All People."
There's a difference between ALL People and A People.
One is plural and the other is singular.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Its the elect, a peculiar people Vs 14

1. a people selected by God from the other nations for his own possession

I have never said verse 14 was about "A People."
I said verse 11 is about "All People."
There's a difference between ALL People and A People.
One is plural and the other is singular.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

If you actually took my word for it, then you are "blind". I wrote:
Yes, I absolutely control God! What kind of ridiculous question is that???

You are being deceitful!!! You tried to twist the meaning of my words, just like the Pharisees.

I'm putting you on ignore, since I will only deal with honest people.

This all began with you saying,
jamessb said:
No. I either intentionally pray in English or intentionally speak in tongues. It is under my control.

You are the ONE claiming to control how God does this.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

I have never said verse 14 was about "A People."
I said verse 11 is about "All People."
There's a difference between ALL People and A People.
One is plural and the other is singular.

*should be "was not" about verse 14

 

[Magenta]

without faith it is IMPOSSIBLE to please god. Hebrews 11:6: "But without faith it is impossible to please him:
for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Hebrews 11:6

 

[Magenta]

Eph. 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God

Ephesians 2:8-9

 

[brightfame52]

I have never said verse 14 was about "A People."
I said verse 11 is about "All People."
There's a difference between ALL People and A People.
One is plural and the other is singular.

Verse 11th and verse 14 are the same people God's elect

 

[tylerbones1313]

ALL People is different than a people.

The Bible shows us 2 groups of people here ALL people and a people.

No, the verses from Titus 2:11 and Titus 2:14 aren't referring to separate groups of people in the sense of one group being offered salvation and another being redeemed and purified. Instead, they are speaking about the same group of people at different stages of their spiritual journey and emphasizing different aspects of God's grace and its effects.

The progression from the universal offer of salvation to the specific transformation of believers illustrates a single, continuous action of God's grace. It moves from the potential (the offer made to all) to the actual (the transformation of those who accept the offer). So, the people being referred to in both verses are part of a single, unified process of salvation and sanctification through God's grace, not separate groups with different destinies.

 

[brightfame52]

No, the verses from Titus 2:11 and Titus 2:14 aren't referring to separate groups of people in the sense of one group being offered salvation and another being redeemed and purified. Instead, they are speaking about the same group of people at different stages of their spiritual journey and emphasizing different aspects of God's grace and its effects.

The progression from the universal offer of salvation to the specific transformation of believers illustrates a single, continuous action of God's grace. It moves from the potential (the offer made to all) to the actual (the transformation of those who accept the offer). So, the people being referred to in both verses are part of a single, unified process of salvation and sanctification through God's grace, not separate groups with different destinies.

Grace is not offered at anytime but given to the election of grace. It applies their salvation unto them

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Verse 11th and verse 14 are the same people God's elect

All people and A people have never nor ever will be the same definition. In fact, not one Biblical Scholar agrees with you. So basically, you either lack understanding, or on purpose are against the truth.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

No, the verses from Titus 2:11 and Titus 2:14 aren't referring to separate groups of people in the sense of one group being offered salvation and another being redeemed and purified. Instead, they are speaking about the same group of people at different stages of their spiritual journey and emphasizing different aspects of God's grace and its effects.

The progression from the universal offer of salvation to the specific transformation of believers illustrates a single, continuous action of God's grace. It moves from the potential (the offer made to all) to the actual (the transformation of those who accept the offer). So, the people being referred to in both verses are part of a single, unified process of salvation and sanctification through God's grace, not separate groups with different destinies.

All people and A people have never nor ever will be the same definition. In fact, not one Biblical Scholar agrees with you. So basically, you either lack understanding, or on purpose are against the truth.

 

[jamessb]

Why would anyone think that when the creator of the world was sacrificed to pay the penalty for all sin, it wouldn't apply to all His creation?

Think about it! God Himself, in the flesh, was crucified. Does anyone think that can only apply to just some of His creation?

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

From the majority of Biblical Scholars

What does Titus 2:11 mean?
This verse turns the focus of Paul's letter from the Christians of Crete to a discussion of the grace of God. The mention of the appearance of grace is a reference to Jesus Christ and His appearance on earth (John 1:14). The grace Jesus brought was responsible for "bringing salvation for all people." In the past, talk of salvation was primarily focused on the Jews, as God's chosen people. However, with the coming of Jesus, the message of salvation was spreading to both Jews and Gentiles. This concept is especially important in this letter, since Titus was a Gentile and led churches on Crete, a Gentile territory.

The emphasis by Scholars is this sentence, the message of salvation was spreading to both Jews and Gentiles.