Plight of the palestinians

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Shilohsfoal

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ThereRoseaLamb said:
God made an unconditional covenant with the Jews, and everlasting covenant. Anyone who tries and divide the land God gave to the Jews will and have not succeeded. God keeps His promise. You can think whatever you like. The land belongs to the Jews. And it certainly doesn't belong to the Palestinians. Yet Israel was willing to let them have land. They have rejected peace efforts again and again. The deaths they have now is of their own making. They wanted a war, they got a war.
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Mathew 21:43
Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.


Ohhhh,it's going to be taken away just as Jesus prophecied.It will be given to the saints of God for an everlasting kingdom.


Daniel ,7

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
 
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Who is like the beast?
Who is able to make war with him,?
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“I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.

The Bible says that the Jews will come to recognize their Messiah, and they will mourn. The will realize that the anti-christ they thought would bring peace and was the Messiah was not. And God will save Israel.

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”
 
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Shilohsfoal

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No you get YOUR propaganda straight!! I know history and I know the Bible. I have studied this and I'm not about to be backed down here by someone else spreading propaganda!! God promise the land to the Jews as an EVERLASTING covenant, and UNCONDITIONAL. He will keep His promise to the JEWS not to the Arabs. There is no country called Palestine, tell me what language is Palestinian? What king? Name me one! You CAN'T because it's NOT a country. It isn't now it was then. So don't come up in here and think everyone is going to cave to your propaganda and talking points cause it isn't gonna happen!
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Does Jesus need to get his propaganda straight,?


Mathew 21:43
Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.
 
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Shilohsfoal said:
Mathew 21:43
Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.


Ohhhh,it's going to be taken away just as Jesus prophecied.It will be given to the saints of God for an everlasting kingdom.
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NO! Romans 11 says differently. You don't just get to slap the Bible together in whatever way you want it to. You're spreading heresy!! Replacement theology is heresy!! We DO NOT replace the Jews.

Romans 11

I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew.

11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!

13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!


25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[g]
28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.
 
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ThereRoseaLamb said:
“I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.

The Bible says that the Jews will come to recognize their Messiah, and they will mourn. The will realize that the anti-christ they thought would bring peace and was the Messiah was not. And God will save Israel.

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”
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Jesus took.away the apostles sins in the first century.
The holy spirit was given in the first century.


Or are you saying God did not pour his spirit on the inhabitants of Jerusalem on Pentecost?

Which is it,,???
 
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ThereRoseaLamb

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Shilohsfoal said:
Does Jesus need to get his propaganda straight,?
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You aren't Jesus!! And you are trying to spread heresy and I'm not about to let it happen!! Replacement theology is false doctrine period.!!! God gave the land as an inheritance to the Jews, IRREVOCABLE and EVERLASTING!!!
 
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Shilohsfoal

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ThereRoseaLamb said:
NO! Romans 11 says differently. You don't just get to slap the Bible together in whatever way you want it to. You're spreading heresy!! Replacement theology is heresy!! We DO NOT replace the Jews.

Romans 11

I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew.

11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!

13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!


25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[g]
28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.
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God warned the children of Israel to not have any God's before him.

Now they are worshiping the beast.


Amos 5
Did you bring me sacrifices and offerings
forty years in the wilderness, people of Israel?
26 You have lifted up the shrine of your king,
the pedestal of your idols,
the star of your god[b]—
which you made for yourselves.
27 Therefore I will send you into exile beyond Damascus,”
says the Lord, whose name is God Almighty.


Do you have that star displayed on your front porch?
 
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ThereRoseaLamb said:
You aren't Jesus!! And you are trying to spread heresy and I'm not about to let it happen!! Replacement theology is false doctrine period.!!! God gave the land as an inheritance to the Jews, IRREVOCABLE and EVERLASTING!!!
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Well,Jesus said the kingdom will be taken from them and you say it can not.

Who should I believe you or Jesus?
Mathew 21:43
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
 
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Shilohsfoal

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ThereRoseaLamb said:
Do they have the land now??? NO!! Israel is back in their promised homeland last time I checked. smh
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You said it couldn't be taken by anyone. That would include the Romans.

Did the Romans take it or not?


43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
 
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Shilohsfoal said:
God warned the children of Israel to not have any God's before him.
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What do you not get??! BLINDED for a time!! Then restored as Romans 11 says. Read it!! They have never lost the land for good. They have lost use of the land because of disobedience, but not the deed. You can ignore all you want, God will not break His promise. And if He won't keep His promise to the Jews He won't keep it to YOU. I believe in a promise keeping God, you believe in whatever you want.
 
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ThereRoseaLamb said:
What do you not get??! BLINDED for a time!! Then restored as Romans 11 says. Read it!! They have never lost the land for good. They have lost use of the land because of disobedience, but not the deed. You can ignore all you want, God will not break His promise. And if He won't keep His promise to the Jews He won't keep it to YOU. I believe in a promise keeping God, you believe in whatever you want.
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You said God gave it to them for everlasting.

Does everlasting include the last 2000 years?

Or does everlasting start today?
 
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Shilohsfoal said:
Well,Jesus said the kingdom will be taken from them and you say it can not.

Who should I believe you or Jesus?
Mathew 21:43
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
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Yes!!! That is the time of the Gentiles which is or will be ending. What do people just pick a handful of verses that go with their hate and ignore the rest? What is it with these people?! We don't replace the Jews!!
 
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Shilohsfoal said:
You said God gave it to them for everlasting.

Does everlasting include the last 2000 years?

Or does everlasting start today?
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Maybe you need to read the Bible and get back to me. It seems you don't understand the basics. Maybe try Sunday school. It began with Abraham. We're in trouble if you don't even know that much.
 
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Shilohsfoal

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ThereRoseaLamb said:
Is 2000 everlasting?
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Your the one who said no one can take the land away from.israel after the Romans took it away then you say God gave it to the Jews for everlasting which apparently has not began yet.

When does the everlasting start?
 
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Shilohsfoal

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ThereRoseaLamb said:
Maybe you need to read the Bible and get back to me. It seems you don't understand the basics. Maybe try Sunday school. It began with Abraham. We're in trouble if you don't even know that much.
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Abraham was never given the promised land.He and Christ was promised the promised land .Neither has received that promise yet.

Galatians 3:16
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.


Christ recieves the kingdom.after the antichrist Israeli government has been destroyed.


This is the everlasting kingdom set up by God.
Revelation 11

15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

“The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.”




After you learn who the God appointed and annoited king of Israel is,then you might not worship the Israeli government and it's kingdom as much as you do.
 
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Shilohsfoal said:
Abraham was never given the promised land.He and Christ was promised the promised land .Neither has received that promise yet.
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Of course they haven't received it yet. smh

Ps. 105
"O seed of Abraham His servant, you children of Jacob, His chosen ones! He is the Lord our God; His judgments are in all the earth. He remembers His covenant forever, the word which He commanded, for a thousand generations, the covenant which He made with Abraham, and His oath to Isaac, and confirmed it to Jacob for a statute, to Israel as an everlasting covenant, saying, 'To you I will give the land of Canaan as the allotment of your inheritance'" (verses 6-11).

You can sneer and mock me all you want to, this is what God said, He made the everlasting covenant, not me.
 
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Shilohsfoal said:
Scripture shows toward the time of the end the Palestinians would be beaten with the rod of the king of Babylon.
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Shiloh, I see the scripture you're citing but where do you get the part about it being fulfilled "toward the time of the end"? I don't see anything about the timing in there.
 
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Shilohsfoal said:
Your the one who said no one can take the land away from.israel after the Romans took it away then you say God gave it to the Jews for everlasting which apparently has not began yet.

When does the everlasting start?
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It never stopped belonging to the Jews, it did then, it does now. Either that or God is a liar. Don't ask me when everlasting started, pick up the Book and read what the Lord God said.
 
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