Plight of the palestinians

[Shilohsfoal]

True, but God knew I would read this verse and you would. So is it strictly only to the Jew, in your opinion?

Jesus is speaking strictly to the unbelieving Jews who reside in the kingdom.

I stand by what I said.Everyone who is not in Christ shall be cast out.Why would he tell anyone outside of the kingdom they will be cast out?What sense does that make?

Luke 13:28
“There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Jesus is speaking strictly to the unbelieving Jews who reside in the kingdom.

I stand by what I said.Everyone who is not in Christ shall be cast out.Why would he tell anyone outside of the kingdom they will be cast out?What sense does that make?

Luke 13:28
“There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out.

I think it is for all who are unbelievers.
Why would God place it for me to read if it has no meaning for me?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I think it is for all who are unbelievers.
Why would God place it for me to read if it has no meaning for me?

I didn't know you was an unbeliever but thanks for letting us know.
But I stand by what I said .Anyone who is not in Christ shall be cast out of the kingdom.This includes all non believing jews who reject Christ.


Here again ,Jesus makes it very clear the kingdom belongs to him.

Mathew 13:41

The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

I didn't know you was an unbeliever but thanks for letting us know.
But I stand by what I said .Anyone who is not in Christ shall be cast out of the kingdom.This includes all non believing jews who reject Christ.


Here again ,Jesus makes it very clear the kingdom belongs to him.

Mathew 13:41

The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

lol I am saved and full of the Holy Spirit.
But when I read this I know it applies to all people without God and it encourages me to be a witness so they escape the "warning" this verse is conveying.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

lol I am saved and full of the Holy Spirit.
But when I read this I know it applies to all people without God and it encourages me to be a witness so they escape the "warning" this verse is conveying.

Thank you for clarifying and praise God.

Jesus is telling the unbelieving people in the kingdom they will be cast out.
He's not talking to the people who are already beyond Damascus.


Amos writes what shall take place on the day of the Lord.

Amos 5
Did you bring me sacrifices and offerings
forty years in the wilderness, people of Israel?
26 You have lifted up the shrine of your king,
the pedestal of your idols,
the star of your god[b]—
which you made for yourselves.
27 Therefore I will send you into exile beyond Damascus,”
says the Lord, whose name is God Almighty.


The promised land is from the Euphrates to the Nile.That is the millinial kingdom where the saints of Israel dwell after the coming of Christ.The saints who do not worship the beast.

There won't be any Muslims or unbelieving Jews there after the Lord comes.They are all removed from that kingdom.From Egypt to Assyria .

Isaiah 19
23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.

24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:

25 Whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Thank you for clarifying and praise God.

Jesus is telling the unbelieving people in the kingdom they will be cast out.
He's not talking to the people who are already beyond Damascus.


Amos writes what shall take place on the day of the Lord.

Amos 5
Did you bring me sacrifices and offerings
forty years in the wilderness, people of Israel?
26 You have lifted up the shrine of your king,
the pedestal of your idols,
the star of your god[b]—
which you made for yourselves.
27 Therefore I will send you into exile beyond Damascus,”
says the Lord, whose name is God Almighty.


The promised land is from the Euphrates to the Nile.That is the millinial kingdom where the saints of Israel dwell after the coming of Christ.The saints who do not worship the beast.

There won't be any Muslims or unbelieving Jews there after the Lord comes.They are all removed from that kingdom.From Egypt to Assyria .

Isaiah 19
23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.

24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:

25 Whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance

I know who the immediate audience is. But the parable of the wedding is God is inviting "ALL people (Jew/Gentile)." So even though this verse is being said to the Jew, it is for all people.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

lol I am saved and full of the Holy Spirit.
But when I read this I know it applies to all people without God and it encourages me to be a witness so they escape the "warning" this verse is conveying.

Jesus sends his disciples to the lost sheep of Israel to warn them before the coming day.

They will be persecuted and killed for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God.

Mathew 10
Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,

10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.

11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.

12 And when ye come into an house, salute it.

13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.

14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.

19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.





"Till the Son of man be come"

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Jesus sends his disciples to the lost sheep of Israel to warn them before the coming day.

They will be persecuted and killed for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God.

Mathew 10
Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,

10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.

11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.

12 And when ye come into an house, salute it.

13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.

14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.

19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.





"Till the Son of man be come"

Jesus said Go and make Disciples of "All Nations." So God wants everyone to escape verse 28 in Luke, not just the Jews.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I know who the immediate audience is. But the parable of the wedding is God is inviting "ALL people (Jew/Gentile)." So even though this verse is being said to the Jew, it is for all people.

Why would he tell people who are not in the kingdom that they will be cast out of the kingdom when they have never lived in the kingdom and have never even thought about living there?

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Why would he tell people who are not in the kingdom that they will be cast out of the kingdom when they have never lived in the kingdom and have never even thought about living there?

They had proselytes back then. People, not Jew, Gentiles converted.
The lineage of Jesus has several proselytes.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

They had proselytes back then. People, not Jew, Gentiles converted.
The lineage of Jesus has several proselytes.

That doesn't answer the question.

Why would Jesus tell a Chinese man who has never set foot in the promised land that he will be cast out of the promised land ?

What sense would that make?

That would be like telling me I'm going to be cast out of Russia when I've never set foot in Russia.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

That doesn't answer the question.

Why would Jesus tell a Chinese man who has never set foot in the promised land that he will be cast out of the promised land ?

What sense would that make?

That would be like telling me I'm going to be cast out of Russia when I've never set foot in Russia.

It "never says" they're in the kingdom of God to begin with. It says they will be cast out not allowed to even enter into.

28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you shall see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves cast out.

During this speech by Jesus, only Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets "are in" the kingdom of God.

 

[Cameron143]

That doesn't answer the question.

Why would Jesus tell a Chinese man who has never set foot in the promised land that he will be cast out of the promised land ?

What sense would that make?

That would be like telling me I'm going to be cast out of Russia when I've never set foot in Russia.

It's a spiritual kingdom.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

It "never says" they're in the kingdom of God to begin with. It says they will be cast out not allowed to even enter into.

28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you shall see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves cast out.

During this speech by Jesus, only Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets "are in" the kingdom of God.

It does not say they will never be allowed to enter.It says they will be cast out.
You would first have to be in a kingdom before you could be cast out of it.
If I were to be exiled from the United states then I would be cast out,but Putin can not send me into exile from.russia because Ive never been there and dont intend to be.If I somehow found myself in Russia and Putin sent me into exile,I would feel he did me a favor.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

It does not say they will never be allowed to enter.It says they will be cast out.
You would first have to be in a kingdom before you could be cast out of it.
If I were to be exiled from the United states then I would be cast out,but Putin can not send me into exile from.russia because Ive never been there and dont intend to be.If I somehow found myself in Russia and Putin sent me into exile,I would feel he did me a favor.

No "living human" is in the "literal kingdom of God" until they die.
Was Jesus speaking to people who were physically alive and breathing?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

It's a spiritual kingdom.

Not so.They are to be exiled from the promised land on the day of the Lord.

Amos 5
“Did you bring me sacrifices and offerings
forty years in the wilderness, people of Israel?
26 You have lifted up the shrine of your king,
the pedestal of your idols,
the star of your god[b]—
which you made for yourselves.
27 Therefore I will send you into exile beyond Damascus,”
says the Lord, whose name is God Almighty.



They will not reign with Christ in the Lord's land.They can go live in Magog in the north.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

No living human is in the kingdom of God until they die.
Was Jesus speaking to people who were physically alive?

Jesus is speaking to people who are alive and live in the kingdom when it becomes his.
The kingdom in the following verses.



The millinial kingdom is the promised land.Gog does not fly up into space to surround the resurected saints.Gog and the nations invade the promised land and are destroyed 1000 years after Christ comes .


Revelation 20

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.




The people who live in this kingdom are holy people cleansed in the blood of the lamb.A kingdom of priests and a holy nation.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Jesus is speaking to people who are alive and live in the kingdom when it becomes his.
The kingdom in the following verses.



The millinial kingdom is the promised land.Gog does not fly up into space to surround the resurected saints.Gog and the nations invade the promised land and are destroyed 1000 years after Christ comes .


Revelation 20

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

The verse says KINGDOM of GOD!
That is Heaven!

when you shall see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Technically, Kingdom of God is wherever God is at.

But you must be Spirit filled.

The people in Luke are not Holy Spirit filled.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The verse says KINGDOM of GOD!
That is Heaven!

when you shall see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God

Abraham Issac and Jacob was never promised mars,Jupiter or Venus.
The kingdom of God will be in Canaan where Abraham Issac and Jacob will be living .That land which was promised to Abraham for an everlasting possession.