Is Speaking in Tongues still available today?

[FollowerofShiloh]

How come when people are recorded speaking in tongues no one can have someone translate it?

Because you need a Supernatural Gift to interpret it.

That means it is not human. It's God speaking to God "the Spirit himself pleads with God."

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

I just want your views backed by Scriptural references on the subject and what it means to you.

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Yup - still is available. I've been speaking in tongues PRIVATELY since '73, but NEVER was burdened by the Holy Spirit to speak a tongue in a service.

I have, however, been burdened to speak interpretation on many occasions and more occasionally to speak Prophesy.

That tongues have ceased is GENERALLY based on 1 Cor 13:8-10 according to people who believe that: "That which is perfect" refers to the formalization of the Biblical canon. The Death of the last Apostle is also cited, and even the invention of the printing press, so that the Bible was available to the masses. they resist the belief

Are some tongues PHONY?? Absolutely!!! the "Priming the pump " foolishness (making random sounds, or talking baby talk to get it started) that some pentecostals teach (Particularly those who falsely teach that no "tongues = no salvation") will easily result in phony tongues made up by the speaker, INSTEAD OF being sourced by the Holy Spirit.

The simple fact is that ALL THE SPOKEN GIFTS (Tongues, Prophesy, Word of Knowledge, Word of Wisdom, and Interpretation) can be done with a little practice. VIctor Wierwille (The WAY International) for $200 would teach you how to do it all on cue.

There are any number of things in life which ARE NOT covered SPECIFICALLY in the Bible, beyond general principles. Peter going to Cornelius' house was the result on the "Word of Knowledge" given to him by the Holy Spirit. And it goes without saying that any Utterance that presents unbiblical information, is FALSE.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Do people know that someone who translates language is very different from a Supernatural Gift of God (Interpreter)?

1. one is human
2. one is from God

Not even close to being the same.

 

[tylerbones1313]

Do people know that someone who translates language is very different from a Supernatural Gift of God (Interpreter)?

1. one is human
2. one is from God

Not even close to being the same.

I would hope they compare notes and see how wonderful God is, because if the translator is really good they should match. Still not seeing the point you are wanting to discuss.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

I would hope they compare notes and see how wonderful God is, because if the translator is really good they should match. Still not seeing the point you are wanting to discuss.

The human translator can ""only translate"" human languages.
The Supernatural Gift can Interpret speaking in tongues, which is the Holy Spirit speaking to God.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

How many videos, recording of people speaking in tongues that human translators ""cannot decipher?""
All of them.
But if you have the Supernatural Gift from God, you can.

A human translator ""cannot understand"" God speaking to God.
Only a Supernatural Gift can.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

This whole forum is about how the "Natural Man" cannot understand God.

A human translator is a "Natural Man" who cannot understand God.

But a person who is saved, full of the Holy Spirit, and has the Supernatural Gift can Interpret speaking in tongues.

 

[presidente]

If speaking in tongues was a human language you just need a translator.

But God says to understand it you need a Supernatural Gift. So it cannot be human if you need a Supernatural Gift.

I'll ask you again.

This is human language right here. You are a human. Without looking online for a translation, tell me what it says, "Kenapa anda perlu penejermah atau penafsir kalau anda manusia?"

You might be able to get an AI translator if it is typed in. But if someone just said that in church, you should be able to understand it, right, based on what you said? It's human language, right, so why would interpretation be necessary?

If someone speaks in tongues in Tocharian A, are you going to understand that? I wouldn't.

If someone speaks in tongues in an angelic language or a human language, no one understands. Either way, interpretation is needed.

What do you think about those who have experienced going into a Pentecotal meeting, hearing their own language spoken in tongues, and the interpretation?

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Before God created the heavens and earth. Before the angels were created and it was just the Father, the Word, the Holy Spirit. Who thinks They spoke in earthly languages?

Or, do They have their own Heavenly language?

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

What do you think about those who have experienced going into a Pentecotal meeting, hearing their own language spoken in tongues, and the interpretation?

When people hear their own language it is God confirming them to yield to Him. Could be a call to Salvation, Repentance, a Blessing on the way.

But what about the thousands of recorded speaking in tongues that every translator in the world "cannot decipher?" But someone with the Supernatural Gift can Interpret?

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

2 For anyone who speaks in tongues does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit.

How come no human can understand this? No human can translate this if it is a "human language?"

 

[presidente]

When people hear their own language it is God confirming them to yield to Him. Could be a call to Salvation, Repentance, a Blessing on the way.

But what about the thousands of recorded speaking in tongues that every translator in the world "cannot decipher?" But someone with the Supernatural Gift can Interpret?

If no one knows a human without clues, a linguist wouldn't be able to decipher it. The Rosetta stone combined with study of Coptic lead to cracking ancient Egyptian. We can't interpret a language we don't know on the fly. And how would we know an angelic language? No one knows the language spoken, so no one can interpreted it, and a gift is needed.

 

[jamessb]

How about this scenario

In church 100% all congregation speaks and knows only english. Someone speaks in Tongues in Russian. Unknown tongue to everyone present, even the speaker. ALL present need and Interpretation in English to know what was said. But both of the speakers are Speaking in Tongues

You can't speak in tongues and speak in Russian simultaneously. Tongues is a spiritual language, Russian (and many, many others of course) are human languages. If you disagree, how do you write in tongues???

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

If no one knows a human without clues, a linguist wouldn't be able to decipher it. The Rosetta stone combined with study of Coptic lead to cracking ancient Egyptian. We can't interpret a language we don't know on the fly. And how would we know an angelic language? No one knows the language spoken, so no one can interpreted it, and a gift is needed.

We know there's over 7,000 (7,117) languages ever spoken. We've been to every continent and island. So we are well aware of basically every human language ever spoken. So when a linguist or translator "cannot" decipher or translate speaking in tongues, it's just how Paul explains it to be...
2 For anyone who speaks in tongues does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit.

This means it is not a human language but a language "only God" (not human) knows.

 

[Niki7]

We know there's over 7,000 (7,117) languages ever spoken. We've been to every continent and island. So we are well aware of basically every human language ever spoken. So when a linguist or translator "cannot" decipher or translate speaking in tongues, it's just how Paul explains it to be...
2 For anyone who speaks in tongues does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit.

This means it is not a human language but a language "only God" (not human) knows.

Really? It probably never dawned on you to check out current or extinct languages on earth. You bypassed my post a portion below which highlights what you copied from that post. You are being disingenuous.

Do you understand that there are almost 7000 known languages in the world today? Further, there are currently known to be 573 extinct languages. (information garnered from Linguistic Society of America). There are languages that sound like a series of clicks and whistles which if someone spoke would not sound real.

It's the type of presentation you have given in this thread that just turn people off and claim those who speak in tongues are not examples of biblical tongues. And now I see you call yourself a teacher.

God help us. SMH

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Really? It probably never dawned on you to check out current or extinct languages on earth. You bypassed my post a portion below which highlights what you copied from that post. You are being disingenuous.


It's the type of presentation you have given in this thread that just turn people off and claim those who speak in tongues are not examples of biblical tongues. And now I see you call yourself a teacher.

God help us. SMH

You can make any claim you wish it still does not cover what Paul wrote
2 For anyone who speaks in tongues does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit.

How come no human can understand this? No human can translate this if it is a "human language?"

 

[Niki7]

oh my lands dude! nowhere does that mean it is some language never spoken on earth Oh but it could be though.

1 Cor. 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

1 Cor. 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

I am not agreeing with what FollowerofShiloh is trying to say or at least I don't think, cause I am not totally sure of what he is trying to say. Just showing scripture to possibly refute one statement.

Because in most service I have been a part of The tongue spoken was a known dialect but still needed an Interpreter so the Whole Body can be edified.

I am well aware. thank you

 

[Niki7]

You can make any claim you wish it still does not cover what Paul wrote
2 For anyone who speaks in tongues does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit.

How come no human can understand this? No human can translate this if it is a "human language?"

I'm not going to respond to you again. It's pointless.

But I will state that I am not making claims. That, is most definitely YOUR claim to fame. You have misapprehended scripture and sadly do not properly understand what is being said ~ either in this thread or particularly, in scripture.

Again, I am not your teacher but it seems neither is scripture as you have illustrated in this thread and yes, I understand you are sincere but that does not equate with proper understanding or instruction.

 

[Niki7]

One more thing....

Why do you ignore my post on languages which you obviously copied from and pretend you know anything about it? That why is rhetorical

Disingenuous responses from you at this point.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

I'm not going to respond to you again. It's pointless.

But I will state that I am not making claims. That, is most definitely YOUR claim to fame. You have misapprehended scripture and sadly do not properly understand what is being said ~ either in this thread or particularly, in scripture.

Again, I am not your teacher but it seems neither is scripture as you have illustrated in this thread and yes, I understand you are sincere but that does not equate with proper understanding or instruction.

You cannot even prove me wrong by the Bible which is all I used. You should stop because you only use your opinion when I use the Bible for my proofs.