the Sabbath

[SabbathBlessing]

What I was afraid of-a topic I am not interested in-


Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Heb 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.


Heb 6:1 Therefore, let us leave behind the stam (elementary) ikarim (essentials) of the dvarim hahora'ah (words of teaching) about Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach, and let us move ahead to hitbagrut (maturity), not laying again a foundation of teshuva from ma'asim metim (dead works) and Emunah toward Hashem,
Heb 6:2 Of divrei torah on tevilot and tohorah and s'michat yadayim and of the Techiyas HaMesim and of the Mishpat Olam.
Heb 6:3 And this we shall do, im yirtzeh Hashem (if the L-rd wills).

Please read Gill on this-
Of the doctrine of baptisms,.... Some read this divisively, "baptism and doctrine", as the Ethiopic version; as if the one respected the ordinance of baptism, and the other the ministry of the word; but it is best to read them conjunctively: and by which most understand the Gospel ordinance of water baptism, so called by a change of number, the plural for the singular, as the Syriac and Ethiopic versions, who render it baptism; or because of the different persons baptized, and times of baptizing, as some; or because of the trine immersion, as others; or because of the threefold baptism of spirit, blood, and water, which have some agreement with each other; or because of the baptism of John, and Christ, though they are one and the same; or because of the inward and outward baptism, the one fitting and qualifying for the other; and so the doctrine of it is thought to respect the necessity, use, and end of it; but since there is but one baptism, and the above reasons for the plural expression are not solid, and sufficiently satisfying, it is best to interpret this of the divers baptisms among the Jews, spoken of in Heb_9:10 which had a doctrine in them, to that people; teaching them the cleansing virtue of the blood of Christ, and leading them to it, to wash in for sin, and for uncleanness; but now, since this blood was shed, they were no more to teach nor learn the doctrine of cleansing by the blood of Christ this way; nor any more to be led unto it through these divers baptisms, ablutions, and purifications.
And of laying on of hands; the foundation of this was to be no more laid, nor the doctrine of it to be any longer taught and learned in the way it had been; for not the rite, but the doctrine of laying on of hands is here intended; and it has no reference to the right of laying on of hands by the apostles, either in private persons, or officers of churches; for what was the doctrine of such a rite, is not easy to say; but to the rite of laying on of hands of the priests, and of the people, upon the head of sacrifices; which had a doctrine in it, even the doctrine of the imputation of sin to Christ, the great sacrifice. It was usual with the Jews (g) to call the imposition of hands upon the sacrifice, simply, סמיכה, "laying on of hands"; and they understood by it the transferring of sin from the persons that laid on hands, to the sacrifice, on which they were laid; and that hereby, as they express it, sins were separated from them, and, as it were, put upon the sacrifice (h); but now believers were no longer to be taught and learn the great doctrine of the imputation of sin, by this rite and ceremony, since Christ has been made sin for them, and has had sins imputed to him, and has bore them in his own body on the tree:
and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment: articles of faith, which distinguished the Jews from the Gentiles, who were greatly strangers to a future state, the resurrection of the dead, and judgment to come: these are doctrines of pure revelation, and were taught under the Old Testament, and were believed by the generality of the Jews, and are articles which they hold in common with us Christians; yet the believing Hebrews were not to rest in the knowledge of these things, and in the smaller degrees of light they had in them, under the former dispensation; but were to go on to perfection, and bear forward towards a greater share of knowledge of these, and other more sublime doctrines of grace; since life and immortality are more clearly brought to light by Christ through the Gospel.

Shalom
J.

I responded on your topic!

There is no need to look at outside sources. Jesus was so plain- not one dot or tittle can pass from His law as no one is above God- do not break the least of these commandments Mark 5:18--30. If we just believe His teachings He will lead us on that narrow path.

 

[Johann]

Also Col 2:16 does not say the seventh day of the week, Whoever wrote that in their will have to answer to God one day. Pro 30:5-6
The original Greek has sabbath(s) its in the plural form and Col 2:14 gives the context- handwritten, ordinances, contrary and against.

I have some really deep studies on this I will look for them and post later.

Need to run for now.

Should Christians today keep Old Testament laws, such as the seventh-day Sabbath, circumcision, animal sacrifices, and holy days, or did Jesus remove or abolish that law so that we should only obey New Testament commands? What is the difference between moral and ceremonial laws, the Law of Moses and the Law of God? Are the Law of Moses and the Ten Commands abrogated or still in effect? What law should we observe today? Should we today "remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy?"

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Should Christians today keep Old Testament laws, such as the seventh-day Sabbath, circumcision, animal sacrifices, and holy days, or did Jesus remove or abolish that law so that we should only obey New Testament commands? What is the difference between moral and ceremonial laws, the Law of Moses and the Law of God? Are the Law of Moses and the Ten Commands abrogated or still in effect? What law should we observe today? Should we today "remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy?"

Just find me one thus saith the Lord that we don't need to keep His holy Sabbath day. All the ones in scripture He tells us to keep and not profane.

 

[Johann]

I responded on your topic!

There is no need to look at outside sources. Jesus was so plain- not one dot or tittle can pass from His law as no one is above God- do not break the least of these commandments Mark 5:18--30. If we just believe His teachings He will lead us on that narrow path.

No-you want to go from the Nomos/Entole-to the Sabbaths-something I am NOT interested in discussing.
J.

 

[Inquisitor]

History has been re-written, which is why scripture warns us not to go outside of the bible because there is no light. Isa 8:20

The question I asked ChatGPT is not about early church history.

The question is whether the Sabbath day of rest is different to the first day, celebration of the resurrection.

ChatGPT simply reads the N.T and replies. ChatGPT exhibits no theological bias.

That is what the N.T. text states in simple English.

You have an interpretation of the text, ChatGPT does not follow an interpretation.

 

[Inquisitor]

Should Christians today keep Old Testament laws, such as the seventh-day Sabbath, circumcision, animal sacrifices, and holy days, or did Jesus remove or abolish that law so that we should only obey New Testament commands? What is the difference between moral and ceremonial laws, the Law of Moses and the Law of God? Are the Law of Moses and the Ten Commands abrogated or still in effect? What law should we observe today? Should we today "remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy?"

Depends on the tradition you follow, your interpretation of the text.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

There's only one Truth in scripture and all of God's commandments are Truth Psa 119:151

 

[Magenta]

You keep thinking that no one can obey God the way He asked, and I will keep obeying Him because He gives me the power to.
What anyone does is between them and God all we can do is show each other the scriptures.

Take care.

As I said you live in a fantasy world thinking you can keep the Sabbath the way it was meant to be kept in the OT. Nobody can.

 

[Inquisitor]

Just find me one thus saith the Lord that we don't need to keep His holy Sabbath day. All the ones in scripture He tells us to keep and not profane.

Galatians 5:18
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

 

[Inquisitor]

There's only one Truth in scripture and all of God's commandments are Truth Psa 119:151

Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the light.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the light.

He is the Way, He led by example and kept all of the commandments including the Sabbath and He is our example to follow. 1 John 2:6. We can never go wrong following Jesus and the example He left for us.

 

[Inquisitor]

There's only one Truth in scripture and all of God's commandments are Truth Psa 119:151

Let your boast always be Jesus Christ, never any other boast.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Let your boast always be Jesus Christ, never any other boast.

The commandments reflects God's character. His Truth Psa 119:151, His Righteousness Psa 119:172, which never changes. We are to become like God, like His character, in His likeness.

 

[Johann]

Depends on the tradition you follow, your interpretation of the text.

Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Heb 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.


the doctrine. or, teaching. Gr. didachē (S# G1322, Mat_7:28). *Heb_9:9; *Heb_9:10; +*Heb_10:22, Mat_3:14; Mat_20:22-23; +**Mat_28:19, +*Mar_7:3; *Mar_16:16, Luk_3:16; Luk_12:50, Joh_1:33; *Joh_3:25; *Joh_3:26; Joh_4:1-2, **Act_1:5 note. +*Act_2:38; Act_2:41; *Act_8:12; *Act_8:13; *Act_8:16; *Act_8:36-38; Act_10:47; Act_16:15; Act_16:33; *Act_19:2-5; +**Act_22:16 note. +*Rom_6:3; +*Rom_6:4 note. 1Co_1:12-17; +*1Co_10:2 note. +*1Co_12:13 note. +*Col_2:12 note. 1Pe_3:20-21, +*Rev_19:13.
of baptisms. or, washings. Gr. baptismos (S# G909, Mar_7:4). Heb_9:10 note, Heb_9:13, Mat_3:6, Mar_7:4; Mar_7:8, Luk_11:38 g. Joh_2:6; *Joh_3:25; *Joh_3:26, Act_19:1-5, *Eph_4:5 note. Col_2:12, Tit_3:5.
laying. Gen_48:14, +Exo_29:10, Lev_1:4; Lev_4:4; Lev_8:18; Lev_16:21, *Num_8:10; *Num_8:11; Num_27:18; Num_27:23, Deu_34:9, Mat_19:13; Mat_19:15, +Mar_5:23; Mar_6:5; Mar_16:18, Act_6:6; +Act_8:17; Act_9:17; *Act_13:2; *Act_13:3; Act_19:6, 1Ti_4:14; 1Ti_5:22, 2Ti_1:6, Jas_5:14-15.
resurrection. Gr. anastasis (S# G386, Act_2:31). Heb_11:35, +*Psa_16:9; +*Psa_16:10, +*Isa_26:19 note. *Eze_37:1-14, +*Dan_12:2, Mat_22:23-32, +*Luk_14:14; **Luk_20:35; **Luk_20:37; **Luk_20:38, *Joh_5:29; Joh_11:24-25, Act_4:2; Act_4:33; Act_10:41; Act_17:18; Act_17:31-32; *Act_23:6; *Act_23:8; Act_24:15; Act_24:21; Act_26:8, Rom_6:5, *1Co_15:12-57, +*Php_3:11 note, Php_3:21, Col_1:18, +*1Th_4:14-18, 2Ti_2:18, 1Pe_1:3.
of. FS181E, +Gen_3:24.
the dead. +Act_23:6 note.
eternal. Gr. aionios, +Mat_18:8.
judgment. Gr. krima (S# G2917, Rom_11:33). +*Heb_9:27; Heb_10:27, Psa_49:19, *Ecc_12:14, +*Isa_33:14, *Dan_7:9; *Dan_7:10; Dan_12:2, Mat_7:2; +*Mat_10:15 note. +*Mat_11:22; **Mat_25:31-46, Mar_3:29; *Mar_6:11, Joh_16:11, *+Act_10:42; **Act_17:31; Act_24:25, Rom_2:5-10; Rom_2:16; Rom_8:1, *2Co_5:10, 2Pe_3:7, **Jud_1:14; **Jud_1:15, Rev_14:13; **Rev_20:10-15.

This should give Chat GP plenty to think about-

J.

 

[Inquisitor]

He is the Way, He led by example and kept all of the commandments including the Sabbath and He is our example to follow. 1 John 2:6. We can never go wrong following Jesus and the example He left for us.

Jesus walked in divine love for humanity. Jesus arrived to fulfill the law in it's entirety. Crowned with a perfect sacrifice for your sin, deeds of the flesh, imperfection.

The New Testament reduces to just two words.

FAITH AND LOVE.

If you mention anything else then you have been deceived.

I asked ChatGPT, can the New Testament be summarized by faith and love?

Can two words summarize the New Testament, faith and love?

Here is the reply.

ChatGPT

Yes, summarizing the New Testament with two key words could indeed be "faith" and "love." These two concepts are foundational to the teachings and themes found throughout the New Testament.

1. Faith:
   • The New Testament consistently emphasizes the significance of faith in Jesus Christ as the means of salvation. Faith is portrayed as trust, belief, and reliance on God's grace and the redemptive work of Christ.
   • Verses like Ephesians 2:8-9 highlight the centrality of faith: "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."
2. Love:
   • Love is a pervasive theme in the New Testament, reflecting God's love for humanity and the call for believers to love God and one another.
   • The command to love is encapsulated in passages like Matthew 22:37-39, where Jesus says, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind...You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
   • The Apostle Paul emphasizes the importance of love in 1 Corinthians 13, often referred to as the "love chapter."

Together, faith and love capture the essence of the New Testament's message of salvation through faith in Christ and the transformation of individuals and communities through the love of God and neighbor.

Not bad for an intelligent machine.

 

[jamessb]

I responded on your topic!

There is no need to look at outside sources. Jesus was so plain- not one dot or tittle can pass from His law as no one is above God- do not break the least of these commandments Mark 5:18--30. If we just believe His teachings He will lead us on that narrow path.

Why are you misquoting what Jesus said? Here is where "jot and tittle" (not dot and tittle) is in the KJV.

Matthew 5:17-18, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Jesus fulfilled all the requirements of the OT law. His sacrifice fulfilled all the OT requirements, which is exactly why it does not apply to Christians.

Romans 7:4 makes this perfectly clear... "So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you could be joined to another, to the one who was raised from the dead, to bear fruit to God."

If believers are still under the law, then Jesus' sacrifice was useless.

 

[Inquisitor]

3. The moral law, which lies chiefly in the Decalogue, or Ten
Commandments (Ex 20:3-17), and which our Lord has reduced, even
both tables of the law, to two capital ones, love to God, and love to our
neighbor (Matthew 22:36-40), as the apostle has reduced the commands
of the second table to one, that is, love, which he calls the fulfilling of the
law (Romans 13:9,10).

3b1. That it is perfect. "The law of the Lord is perfect" (Psalm 19:7), which
is true of the moral law, by which men come to know "what is that good,
and acceptable, and perfect will of God" (Romans 12:2), what it is his will
should be done, and what not be done; it takes in the whole duty of men,
both to God and man; for to fear God, and keep his commandments, is
the whole duty of man; it includes love to God, and love to our neighbor;
and which are comprehensive of every duty to both: it is very large and
capacious; it is the commandment which is exceeding broad; it is so
complete and perfect, that as nothing is to be detracted from it, so
nothing is to be added to it, nor can be added to it, to make it more
perfect:

The papists talk of counsels, exhortations, etc. as additions; but
these belong either to law or gospel.

And the Socinians say, that Christ
came to make the law more perfect; which they infer from some passages
in (Matthew 5:1-48), where Christ observes, that it had been said by some
of the ancients of old, thus and thus; but he said, so and so; which is not
to be understood of any new laws made by him, but as giving the true
sense of the old laws, and vindicating them from the false glosses and
interpretations of the Scribes and Pharisees: and when the apostle John
speaks of a new commandment, he means the old commandment to love
one another, as he himself explains it (1 John 2:7,8), and which he calls
new, because enforced by a new instance and example of Christ's love in
dying for his people, and by new motives and arguments taken from the
same.

3b2. It is spiritual; We know that the law is spiritual, says the apostle
(Romans 7:14), which is to be understood of the moral law; for as for the
ceremonial law, that is called, "The law of a carnal commandment;" and
is said to stand in "carnal ordinances" (Heb 7:16 9:10), which only
reached the flesh, and the sanctifying of that: but the moral law is so
spiritual in its nature and requirements, that so holy and spiritual a man
as the apostle Paul when he compared himself with it, and viewed himself
in the glass of it, thought himself "carnal, and sold under sin".

The law
reaches to the thoughts and intents of the heart, and the affections of the
mind, and forbids and checks all irregular and inordinate motions in it,
and the lusts of it. Thus, for instance, the sixth command not only forbids
actual murder, but all undue heat, passion, anger, wrath, malice,
resentment and revenge, conceived in the mind, and expressed by words.
So the seventh command not only prohibits the outward acts of impurity,
as fornication, adultery, etc. but all unclean thoughts, impure desires, and
unchaste affections, as well as looks and words.

The law directs, not only
to an external worship of God, but to an internal, spiritual one; as to love
the Lord, to fear him, and put trust and confidence in him, suitable to his
nature as a Spirit; it requires of a man to serve it with his own mind and
spirit, with his whole heart, as the apostle did (Romans 7:25), and the
assistance of the Spirit of God is necessary to the observance of it; and
God in covenant has promised his people, that he "will put his Spirit
within them, and cause them to walk in his statutes," and "keep his
judgments, and do them" (Ezekiel 36:27).

3b3. The law is "holy;" so it is said to be (Romans 7:12), and the
commandment holy; it comes from a holy God, from whom nothing
unholy can proceed; for holiness is his nature, and he is holy in all his
works; and the law is a transcript of his holy will; the matter of it, or what
it requires, is holy; even sanctification of heart and life; and it directs to
live holily, soberly, righteously, and godly, in this evil world.

3b4. It is also "just," as well as holy and good (Romans 7:12). There are no
laws so righteous as the laws of God; the judgments of the Lord are true
and righteous altogether (Deuteronomy 4:8; Psalm 19:9). It is impartial
unto all, and requires the same of one as of another, and renders to every
man according to his works; it is just in condemning wicked men for sin,
and in justifying those that have a righteousness answerable to its
demands; for God is just, according to his law, while he is the justifier of
those that believe in Jesus.
Gill

You are correct brother-there is no distinction between the Law of Moses and the Law of Christ.
J.

I asked ChatGPT about "moral law" within the Mosaic law.

What was interesting is how much of the law is moral, read below.

1. Moral Law: Moral principles, ethical guidelines, and commandments governing human behavior. The Ten Commandments are a significant part of the moral law. This category is substantial and often considered a significant portion of the law, perhaps around 30-40%.
2. Dietary Law: Regulations regarding what can and cannot be eaten. This includes the distinction between clean and unclean animals. Dietary laws constitute a relatively small portion, around 5-10%.
3. Ceremonial Law: Rituals, sacrifices, and other religious ceremonies are covered in this category. Ceremonial laws are a significant portion, estimated to be around 25-35%.

 

[jamessb]

Just find me one thus saith the Lord that we don't need to keep His holy Sabbath day. All the ones in scripture He tells us to keep and not profane.

Not keeping the Sabbath is exactly what the Pharisees wrongly accused Jesus and His followers of doing.

Matthew 12:1-8, "At that time Jesus went through the grain fields on a Sabbath. His disciples were hungry, and they began to pick heads of wheat and eat them. But when the Pharisees saw this they said to him, “Look, your disciples are doing what is against the law to do on the Sabbath.” He said to them, “Haven’t you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry— how he entered the house of God and ate the sacred bread, which was against the law for him or his companions to eat, but only for the priests? Or have you not read in the law that the priests in the temple desecrate the Sabbath and yet are not guilty? 6 I tell you that something greater than the temple is here. If you had known what this means: ‘I want mercy and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the innocent. For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.”

You should read your Bible more carefully.

 

[jamessb]

Depends on the tradition you follow, your interpretation of the text.

Correct -- if you are Jewish and live by the OT laws.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Why are you misquoting what Jesus said? Here is where "jot and tittle" (not dot and tittle) is in the KJV.

Matthew 5:17-18, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Jesus fulfilled all the requirements of the OT law. His sacrifice fulfilled all the OT requirements, which is exactly why it does not apply to Christians.

Romans 7:4 makes this perfectly clear... "So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you could be joined to another, to the one who was raised from the dead, to bear fruit to God."

If believers are still under the law, then Jesus' sacrifice was useless.

Because it means dot. Not one jot of an i means one dot of an i. One cross of a t or tittle.

Jesus asked us to keep the commandments, its what the apostles taught, Paul is easily misinterpreted, which is why we have warnings about his writings.