Shabbat (Intent-- not Timing)

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Aaron56

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Sorry, you can't have it both ways. We don't have to obey God's law but are not sinning.

Sin is breaking God's law 1 John 3:4 Romans 7:7 Mat 5:19-30

We don't define sin or God's righteousness- God does. Psa 119:172

As servants to God we should obey God the way He asks.

Signing out for now..

God bless all in seeking God's Word.
I get it. You don't understand. You make an argument from the position of a slave and you would enslave others with your doctrine.
 

mailmandan

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So now are you claiming Paul is teaching we can worship other gods, vain God's holy name, covet or steal?

The wages of sin is death Romans 6:23 this is the condemnation , the law is holy righteous and good. Romans 7:12 and shows us our sins Rom 7:7 Mat 5:19-30 like a mirror Romans 3:20 James 1:22-24 and so we don't depend on our righteousness, but God's righteous standard of living Psa 119:172. We have another choice instead of living for sin, we can live for Christ who wants to change us from the inside out and in doing so we would be obeying everything He commands. John 14:15-18

Jesus showed us what it means to live by the Spirit connecting our thoughts and feelings with obedience to the commandments teaching not to break the least of these as it affects our status in heaven. Jesus never taught we can literally commit adultery as long as we don't have lust in our hearts or literally commit murder as long as anger is not in our hearts or break the least of these commandments. If one is living in the Spirit, God's law is automatically kept. If we break God's law without seeking repentance which means a change of heart and direction and are hostile to God's law this is the fruit of the carnal mind who cannot please God. Rom 8:7-8 1 John 3:4 Rev 22:15

God gives us lots of ways to test ourselves to see if we are in the faith. The wheat and tares grow together and only God knows which is which. Jesus taught to live by every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God- I have faith in His teachings.
You always jump to extreme conclusions. The moral aspect of the law is written on our hearts. So once again, the law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the letter of the law. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter in 2 Corinthians 3:6-9.
 

posthuman

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You do not get it, the sabbath is also about obedience,
why is it that, simply because i persist in trying to turn the conversation towards Christ, i am constantly accused of preaching disobedience?

isn't it interesting!
:unsure:
 

vassal

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You have no idea what it actually is to keep a commandment. Tell me...what is involved and necessary to keep the first commandments?
Are you testing me? There again you tell me (judge me) on what you think I know or not?
The Commandments are clearly written in the first five books of the bible;
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. ( the first one)
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. ( promised Blessings to those who follow HIS Commandments)
Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in itthou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

These the first four commandments, Jesus condensed into one for a better understanding they have to do with LOVE and Jesus said;
Mat 22:34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.
Mat 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question,tempting him, and saying,
Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Cameron, it means to LOVE GOD with all your Heart and do HIS will., The Commandments are HIS will.
 

SabbathBlessing

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You always jump to extreme conclusions. The moral aspect of the law is written on our hearts. So once again, the law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the letter of the law. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter in 2 Corinthians 3:6-9.
Who decides what is moral and what is not? it certainly is not us.

Anything God deems is righteous is moral. His Truth is moral. God deems all of His commandments are righteous Psa 119:172 and all His commandments as Truth Psa 119:151 so it's not up to us to pick and choose what is moral. God is our Authority and He wrote the Sabbath commandment in the same unit He wrote not to worship other gods, or vain His holy name. The Ten Commandments were never multiple choice or suggestions. Kept faithfully by God's people. Rev 14:12
 

Aaron56

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Who decides what is moral and what is not? it certainly is not us.

Anything God deems is righteous is moral. His Truth is moral. God deems all of His commandments are righteous Psa 119:172 and all His commandments as Truth Psa 119:151 so it's not up to us to pick and choose what is moral. God is our Authority and He wrote the Sabbath commandment in the same unit He wrote not to worship other gods, or vain His holy name. The Ten Commandments were never multiple choice or suggestions. Kept faithfully by God's people. Rev 14:12
No body is picking and choosing. We are following the revealed will of God. His revealed will changed the rules. Now that the Seed has come we can be included in Him and He in us. The Law of Sin and Death does not rule over Christ. He knows what to do because He knows His Father.
 

SabbathBlessing

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No body is picking and choosing. We are following the revealed will of God. His revealed will changed the rules. Now that the Seed has come we can be included in Him and He in us. The Law of Sin and Death does not rule over Christ. He knows what to do because He knows His Father.
God does not change, He said so Himself- so what He deems righteous, justice and Truth will never change. Please provide one scripture that has a thus saith the Lord that His holy Sabbath commandment has been abrogated. Only God can reverse His blessing Num 23:20 All the Words spoken from the mouth of God on His Sabbath and there are many are for us to keep and not profane. We are to live by faith and by every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God Mat 4:4 so if one is going to teach we can keep the least of the commandments, I would want a thus saith the Lord attached to that. Jesus taught the opposite Mat 5:19-30
 

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Not only do I follow God's commandments outwardly, I follow them inwardly. Merely setting a day apart and performing different acts does not constitute obedience. You must also understand the significance of what you are doing and what God desires in your actions to keep a commandment. Since you and others fail to make known what the law requires and why, you can't possibly be keeping this or any other commandment. You only imagine yourself to be doing so.
your outwardly should be the same as your inwardly to use your strange analogies, otherwise you are the same as the pharisees , hypocites who constantly tested Jesus and his words. again you presume you know what i do and judge me.

Mat 23:1-36
 

Magenta

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God does not change, He said so Himself- so what He deems righteous, justice and Truth will never change. Please provide one scripture that has a thus saith the Lord that His holy Sabbath commandment has been abrogated. Only God can reverse His blessing Num 23:20 All the Words spoken from the mouth of God and there are many are for us to keep and not profane.
Sabbath keeping was one of the commandments - or cluster of commandments - given under the old covenant; which is passing away and becoming obsolete. If you are not familiar with that Scripture, please look it up by keyword, as I am on my phone and cannot provide it as I normally would.
 

Aaron56

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God does not change, He said so Himself- so what He deems righteous, justice and Truth will never change. Please provide one scripture that has a thus saith the Lord that His holy Sabbath commandment has been abrogated. Only God can reverse His blessing Num 23:20
Come on. Of course He does not change. But what He reveals to us does change. Once there was a priesthood of Levites. Now we are of Christ in the order of Melchizedek. Once He wrote on stones to people who were blind. Now He speaks directly to our spirits. Etc. Etc.
 

SabbathBlessing

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Come on. Of course He does not change. But what He reveals to us does change. Once there was a priesthood of Levites. Now we are of Christ in the order of Melchizedek. Once He wrote on stones to people who were blind. Now He speaks directly to our spirits. Etc. Etc.
Is this your way of saying you can't provide 'one thus saith the Lord' that the Sabbath commandment has been abrogated. He alone wrote it, He alone blessed, He alone is the only one who can reverse. Num 23:20 It's not just to be our holy day Exo 20:8- God claimed as His holy day Isa 58:13. So where is the scripture by God we can profane His holy day instead of keeping it the way He commanded.

Jesus in His own words said the people who are blind are the ones who keep their rules over the commandments of God quoting from the Ten. Mat 15:3-14
 

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Is this your way of saying you can't provide 'one thus saith the Lord' that the Sabbath commandment has been abrogated.
You should know better by now... but you're still blinded.

"For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."
 

Magenta

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Jesus in His own words said the people who are blind are the ones who keep their rules over the commandments of God quoting from the Ten. Mat 15:3-14
Jesus had plenty of opportunities to repeat the Sabbath command while He walked this world, and yet not once did He.
 

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"Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?"

"But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter."

"But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness."

And just so we're clear that the law includes the 10 commandments...

Paul wrote: "I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”"

The 10 Commandments...
#10 "“You shall not covet..."

 

SabbathBlessing

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You should know better by now... but you're still blinded.

"For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."
The law of sin which is the condemnation death , not the law that defines sin. Rom 7:7. Our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21 we are not saved in our sins.

Sin is breaking God’s law 1 John 3:4 Rom 7:7 Jesus living in us we would be obedient to Him and keeping His commandments John 14:15-18 Rev 14:12
 

Magenta

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The law of sin which is the condemnation death , not the law that defines sin. Rom 7:7. Our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21 we are not saved in our sins.

Sin is breaking God’s law 1 John 3:4 Rom 7:7 Jesus living in us we would be obedient to Him and keeping His commandments John 14:15-18 Rev 14:12
Anyone who is saved was made alive while they were yet a sinner.

Are you going to tell us you never sin?
 

SabbathBlessing

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Are you testing me? There again you tell me (judge me) on what you think I know or not?
The Commandments are clearly written in the first five books of the bible;
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. ( the first one)
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. ( promised Blessings to those who follow HIS Commandments)
Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in itthou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

These the first four commandments, Jesus condensed into one for a better understanding they have to do with LOVE and Jesus said;
Mat 22:34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.
Mat 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question,tempting him, and saying,
Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Cameron, it means to LOVE GOD with all your Heart and do HIS will., The Commandments are HIS will.
Be of good cheer, the judging is to be expected, the same as what happened in scripture, it’s best not to even respond God knows.. . It’s really a blessing and what scripture shows would happen to those who hold true to God’s commandments. Rev 12:17. God bless!
 

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Jesus had plenty of opportunities to repeat the Sabbath command while He walked this world, and yet not once did He.
Magenta, he did, he followed the sabbath it is well documented in the N.T, all the jews knew and followed the sabbath.
 

Aaron56

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The law of sin which is the condemnation death , not the law that defines sin. Rom 7:7. Our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21 we are not saved in our sins.

Sin is breaking God’s law 1 John 3:4 Rom 7:7 Jesus living in us we would be obedient to Him and keeping His commandments John 14:15-18 Rev 14:12
Now, we are to obey the Father as He shows us how to live. Paul wrote about this. Paul gives us a lot of instruction. As does Peter and John. And we can hear our Father in our spirits.
 

Magenta

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Magenta, he did, he followed the sabbath it is well documented in the N.T, all the jews knew and followed the sabbath.
Apparently you cannot read, or your comprehension suffers!

The plain FA CT of the matter is that the Sabbath command is NOWHERE in the NT.