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Living water saves you and you speak about fresh water coming out of your mouth.
Do you know about speaking fresh water also. Or where in the scripture is speaking fresh water is ?
1 Peter 3:21
and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Angus Buchan 10 hours ago 😊
Do you know about speaking fresh water also. Or where in the scripture is speaking fresh water is ?
1 Peter 3:21
and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Angus Buchan 10 hours ago 😊
1 Peter 3:21 states, "Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ."
This verse indicates that baptism is not a means of physical cleansing but rather a symbol of spiritual regeneration and purification. Baptism signifies a commitment to follow Christ and a promise of a clean conscience before God. However, it does not save in the sense that water itself has saving power. Water baptism is a symbolic action that represents the forgiveness of sins and the new life received through faith in Jesus Christ. Salvation comes through faith in Jesus Christ and His resurrection, not through water baptism itself.
like. Rom_5:14, 1Co_4:6, *Heb_9:24 g. *Heb_11:19.
figure. or, antitype. R. L. Keeler asks, "What saves us? Peter says ’the antitype baptism now saves us.’ What is this antitype baptism, and how does it save us? By examining the type or figure we will better understand the antitype. Water and the ark together saved Noah’s family in the type. In the antitype it is the blood of Christ (of which water is the type), and Christ himself (of which the ark is the type), by which we are saved—saved from sin and everlasting death" (Christian Baptism, p. 285). Rom_5:14, 1Co_10:6, Heb_8:5; Heb_9:9; *Heb_9:24 g.
baptism. Gr. baptisma (S# G908, Mat_3:7). FS101, +Deu_32:42, This is a reference to real, not ritual baptism, for ritual baptism does not save us, it being only a humanly administered ordinance, and Peter’s parenthetical words seem expressly given to guard against such a misapplication of his words to the ritual ordinance.
Real baptism accomplished by the Holy Spirit saves us, placing us in the body of Christ, and applying the cleansing blood of Christ to our hearts (+*Act_1:5 note. +*Act_22:16, 1Co_12:13, Tit_3:5, Heb_10:22, Rev_1:5) upon our calling upon Christ (Rom_10:13) and placing faith in his resurrection (Rom_10:9). Mat_3:6; Mat_3:11; Mat_3:16; +*Mat_28:19, Mar_10:38-39; **Mar_16:16, *Luk_12:50, **Act_2:38; Act_8:12; Act_16:33; +*Act_22:16, **Rom_6:3-6, +*1Co_6:11; **1Co_12:13, **Gal_3:27, Eph_4:5; *Eph_5:26, **Col_2:12, **Tit_3:5-7, +*Heb_6:2; +*Heb_10:22, Jas_4:8, 2Pe_1:9, 1Jn_5:6; 1Jn_5:8.
save us. Dr. Francis Nigel Lee in a work titled From Circumcision to Baptism, page 3, states "But fallen man constantly sins, even from his very birth onward. So God renewed His transgressed Covenant – with Noah and his family (Gen_6:18). Then, Noah and all his covenanted household were baptized by rainwater from above. However, the wicked outside the ark were non-baptismally drowned to death by total submersion from beneath. Gen_6:18; Gen_7:1-23 cf. 1Pe_3:20 f." 1Sa_4:3, +*Tit_3:5.
J.
This verse indicates that baptism is not a means of physical cleansing but rather a symbol of spiritual regeneration and purification. Baptism signifies a commitment to follow Christ and a promise of a clean conscience before God. However, it does not save in the sense that water itself has saving power. Water baptism is a symbolic action that represents the forgiveness of sins and the new life received through faith in Jesus Christ. Salvation comes through faith in Jesus Christ and His resurrection, not through water baptism itself.
like. Rom_5:14, 1Co_4:6, *Heb_9:24 g. *Heb_11:19.
figure. or, antitype. R. L. Keeler asks, "What saves us? Peter says ’the antitype baptism now saves us.’ What is this antitype baptism, and how does it save us? By examining the type or figure we will better understand the antitype. Water and the ark together saved Noah’s family in the type. In the antitype it is the blood of Christ (of which water is the type), and Christ himself (of which the ark is the type), by which we are saved—saved from sin and everlasting death" (Christian Baptism, p. 285). Rom_5:14, 1Co_10:6, Heb_8:5; Heb_9:9; *Heb_9:24 g.
baptism. Gr. baptisma (S# G908, Mat_3:7). FS101, +Deu_32:42, This is a reference to real, not ritual baptism, for ritual baptism does not save us, it being only a humanly administered ordinance, and Peter’s parenthetical words seem expressly given to guard against such a misapplication of his words to the ritual ordinance.
Real baptism accomplished by the Holy Spirit saves us, placing us in the body of Christ, and applying the cleansing blood of Christ to our hearts (+*Act_1:5 note. +*Act_22:16, 1Co_12:13, Tit_3:5, Heb_10:22, Rev_1:5) upon our calling upon Christ (Rom_10:13) and placing faith in his resurrection (Rom_10:9). Mat_3:6; Mat_3:11; Mat_3:16; +*Mat_28:19, Mar_10:38-39; **Mar_16:16, *Luk_12:50, **Act_2:38; Act_8:12; Act_16:33; +*Act_22:16, **Rom_6:3-6, +*1Co_6:11; **1Co_12:13, **Gal_3:27, Eph_4:5; *Eph_5:26, **Col_2:12, **Tit_3:5-7, +*Heb_6:2; +*Heb_10:22, Jas_4:8, 2Pe_1:9, 1Jn_5:6; 1Jn_5:8.
save us. Dr. Francis Nigel Lee in a work titled From Circumcision to Baptism, page 3, states "But fallen man constantly sins, even from his very birth onward. So God renewed His transgressed Covenant – with Noah and his family (Gen_6:18). Then, Noah and all his covenanted household were baptized by rainwater from above. However, the wicked outside the ark were non-baptismally drowned to death by total submersion from beneath. Gen_6:18; Gen_7:1-23 cf. 1Pe_3:20 f." 1Sa_4:3, +*Tit_3:5.
J.
The term "living waters" appears in various books throughout the Bible and can be understood in different ways. In John 4:10, Jesus tells the woman at the well that if she knew who He was, she would have asked Him for living water. Jesus means eternal life, and through communion with Him in the Holy Spirit, we receive the living water of everlasting life. In John 7:38, Jesus declares that whoever believes in Him, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them. Here, Jesus refers to the Holy Spirit as the living water, which dwells in believers and seals them for salvation. The living water is a metaphor used in the Bible to depict the spiritual sustenance and salvation that Jesus Christ offers. It symbolizes the spiritual refreshment that comes from accepting Jesus Christ and His teachings. Water baptism is a symbolic action that represents the forgiveness of sins and the new life received through faith in Jesus Christ. However, it does not save in the sense that water itself has saving power.
The premise of your position is that we have no choice unless it is given to us. And my position doesn't reject that reality. We've confounded our own desire to not die by doing that which brought death which on the surface (your view imo) is sin but at the root is unbelief (imho) and that leaves us no choice other than death. So, if Jesus only enables some to make the choice to live, then He did not die for the sins of the world but only for the those who believe, namely, the elect (your reality). However, if Jesus restored the capability of choice by eliminating sin as the hindrance to the ability to choose, then there is only unbelief that stands between life and death. And this, in my view, is how He chose us while we were yet sinners. He chose to die for the sins of the world so that those that take advantage (which doesn't take any work) of the way (i.e., choosing it, that is, taken by faith) might have eternal life.
