Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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“The hearing of faith - faith's hearing - is of Christ's faith.”
the hearing of faith is to hear what Jesus said to believe his word in the gospel because it will be the same forever
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24
That’s how we hear faith we hear what Jesus was sent to preach to people and then sent to everyone and said believe this and be saved
“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Romans 10:17
Receiving the Holy Spirit is something Jesus foret said to them and then they believed and obeyed what he had told then and received what he had said that they heard and believed
anyone of Jesus apostles would have ever known about receiving the Holy Ghost unless Jesus had told them about it and they heard it and didn’t reject it as foolishness
“and, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judæa, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.”
Acts 1:4-9 KJV
They heard and believed what he told them and then they received what he had promised them
“And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”
Acts 2:2-4 KJV
They received the spirit by the hearing of his words that promised they would and believing
faith is simple if God promises something ahead that we can’t see yet or touch yet and we believe him enough to act on what he’s saying then we have received faith and stepped forth in it
It’s this same principle forst God says a word that’s going to happen to someone they here it and believe him so they act and receive what he said and they believed
( god says something that isn’t if it is t heard by Moses he couldn’t believe it and act but he believed God )
“And the LORD said unto Moses,( now this thing is certain )
Stretch out thine hand toward heaven, that there may be darkness over the land of Egypt, ( he tells Moses to do something very simple and something amazing will happen but Moses has to hear it and believe him for it to even exist in his mind and heart )
even darkness which may be felt.
And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days:”
Exodus 10:21-22 KJV
Moses heard what God said and believes it because he could t see it beforehand he had to hear it and believe in order to know and believe but he hears it and knew God is able to do what he says he will do that’s faith in a nutshell if God says anything to someone it is true without fail but it’s only throwe who hear and believe that will ever know and act and receive
Man Is unique we operate by what enters into us like words that carry knowledge this then leads our mind to conclusion and our body to action . It’s the reason ehat God actually said bout salvstion os so important his words will always come to pass wheras mens words will always fail
From the beginning God spoke to Adam about life and death and told him e plain truth and explained he was free but informed him of life and death
It has never changed only the condition of mankind has changed Jesus was still telling man we need to repent and hear what he’s saying and believe him and know the truth and be saved
the gospel is what God has said to all of us now regardless of race or nationality gender age color of skin ect and like a double edged sword it is the dividing line the final word that’s going to save or condemn every soul all we have to do is accept it and let it be true as we slowly begin to learn it from our father in heaven and we can rest assured from day one we’ll be saved because he said it in his word and sent it to us in the gospel
faith relies completely on the preaching of the gospel in the world because we can’t believe a message of salvstion of we don’t hear it first
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14 KJV
“And the gospel must first be published among all nations.”
Mark 13:10 KJV
“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
Matthew 28:18-20 KJV
The reason is that we can’t have faith in something we’ve never heard before and if we don’t hear the gospel we’re bound to hear other messages that fill our minds and hearts faith comes from hearing what God said it always has because what he says is sure if we hear it we can believe in the right things that are sure like this
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
All we have to do is believe what he said and reject what the enemy tries to say like Adam and Eve didn’t but like Jesus did
the hearing of faith is to hear what Jesus said to believe his word in the gospel because it will be the same forever
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24
That’s how we hear faith we hear what Jesus was sent to preach to people and then sent to everyone and said believe this and be saved
“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Romans 10:17
Receiving the Holy Spirit is something Jesus foret said to them and then they believed and obeyed what he had told then and received what he had said that they heard and believed
anyone of Jesus apostles would have ever known about receiving the Holy Ghost unless Jesus had told them about it and they heard it and didn’t reject it as foolishness
“and, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judæa, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.”
Acts 1:4-9 KJV
They heard and believed what he told them and then they received what he had promised them
“And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”
Acts 2:2-4 KJV
They received the spirit by the hearing of his words that promised they would and believing
faith is simple if God promises something ahead that we can’t see yet or touch yet and we believe him enough to act on what he’s saying then we have received faith and stepped forth in it
It’s this same principle forst God says a word that’s going to happen to someone they here it and believe him so they act and receive what he said and they believed
( god says something that isn’t if it is t heard by Moses he couldn’t believe it and act but he believed God )
“And the LORD said unto Moses,( now this thing is certain )
Stretch out thine hand toward heaven, that there may be darkness over the land of Egypt, ( he tells Moses to do something very simple and something amazing will happen but Moses has to hear it and believe him for it to even exist in his mind and heart )
even darkness which may be felt.
And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days:”
Exodus 10:21-22 KJV
Moses heard what God said and believes it because he could t see it beforehand he had to hear it and believe in order to know and believe but he hears it and knew God is able to do what he says he will do that’s faith in a nutshell if God says anything to someone it is true without fail but it’s only throwe who hear and believe that will ever know and act and receive
Man Is unique we operate by what enters into us like words that carry knowledge this then leads our mind to conclusion and our body to action . It’s the reason ehat God actually said bout salvstion os so important his words will always come to pass wheras mens words will always fail
From the beginning God spoke to Adam about life and death and told him e plain truth and explained he was free but informed him of life and death
It has never changed only the condition of mankind has changed Jesus was still telling man we need to repent and hear what he’s saying and believe him and know the truth and be saved
the gospel is what God has said to all of us now regardless of race or nationality gender age color of skin ect and like a double edged sword it is the dividing line the final word that’s going to save or condemn every soul all we have to do is accept it and let it be true as we slowly begin to learn it from our father in heaven and we can rest assured from day one we’ll be saved because he said it in his word and sent it to us in the gospel
faith relies completely on the preaching of the gospel in the world because we can’t believe a message of salvstion of we don’t hear it first
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14 KJV
“And the gospel must first be published among all nations.”
Mark 13:10 KJV
“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
Matthew 28:18-20 KJV
The reason is that we can’t have faith in something we’ve never heard before and if we don’t hear the gospel we’re bound to hear other messages that fill our minds and hearts faith comes from hearing what God said it always has because what he says is sure if we hear it we can believe in the right things that are sure like this
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
All we have to do is believe what he said and reject what the enemy tries to say like Adam and Eve didn’t but like Jesus did
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You sound a little confused, sorry to say. = )
What it SOUNDS like you are saying (regarding the content of my post), is that:
--the "HER" He declared to in Gen25:23 was NOT who the text STATES she was (per v.21), but was instead "ABRAHAM'S WIFE, SARAH"?!;
--and that Abraham SOMEHOW had these "TWINS" (via TWO DISTINCT WOMEN, no less[!!]) in a singular "WOMB" (WOWZA!)?! (what a FANTASTIC *IMAGINATION*... derived from somewhere entirely outside of the texts *I* was speaking of--Gen25:23/Rom9!!);
--and that these "TWINS" (in the singular "WOMB", but delivered by two distinct women, according to you), weren't actually named "JACOB" and "ESAU"... but were named some OTHER TWO names INSTEAD?!
Hmm... methinks you've forgotten your OT history lessons; have disregarded whose "WOMB [singular]" it actually was (where thtese existed "before they were BORN"); what Romans 9 [about the two particular "names" under present discussion] is really pointing back to (historically=Gen25:23, not someone else!); and forgotten how not to conflate entirely distinct texts.
Try again, because your first attempt here is wholly unconvincing! (and really kinda crazy-sounding, you must admit!
)
You sound a little confused, sorry to say. = )
What it SOUNDS like you are saying (regarding the content of my post), is that:
--the "HER" He declared to in Gen25:23 was NOT who the text STATES she was (per v.21), but was instead "ABRAHAM'S WIFE, SARAH"?!;
--and that Abraham SOMEHOW had these "TWINS" (via TWO DISTINCT WOMEN, no less[!!]) in a singular "WOMB" (WOWZA!)?! (what a FANTASTIC *IMAGINATION*... derived from somewhere entirely outside of the texts *I* was speaking of--Gen25:23/Rom9!!);
--and that these "TWINS" (in the singular "WOMB", but delivered by two distinct women, according to you), weren't actually named "JACOB" and "ESAU"... but were named some OTHER TWO names INSTEAD?!
Hmm... methinks you've forgotten your OT history lessons; have disregarded whose "WOMB [singular]" it actually was (where thtese existed "before they were BORN"); what Romans 9 [about the two particular "names" under present discussion] is really pointing back to (historically=Gen25:23, not someone else!); and forgotten how not to conflate entirely distinct texts.
Try again, because your first attempt here is wholly unconvincing! (and really kinda crazy-sounding, you must admit!
)
No, not pointing back to Gen 25:23. Gen 25:23 is subsequent to, and a continuation of, the allegory of Agar and Sarah, as stated in Galatians 4:24.
My point was that in the Bible, God uses the earthly nation of Israel ( from Ishmael, the child of Agar - the bondwoman) symbolizing the unsaved: those under law; as opposed to the heavenly Jerusalem (Isaac, the child of Sarah the freewoman) the children of God's promise - symbolizing the saved to demonstrate His salvation plan, with each leg (including Jacob and Esau), going down through subsequent generations with that allegory continuing up until the end of time. This allegory also forms the foundation of Romans 9 and all of the Bible.
God divorced the nation of Israel. therefore, it will/can no longer play any part in in His salvation except as a portrayal
the unsaved. Some will be saved out of Israel, but it is only because they are of the elect.
[Jer 3:8 KJV] 8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
the unsaved. Some will be saved out of Israel, but it is only because they are of the elect.
[Jer 3:8 KJV] 8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
Being selected and invited doesn’t replace the need to accept and attend with the right clothing on the response to the invite determines the end result
“The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, and sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: and the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.”
Matthew 22:2-10 KJV
when God chooses someone sometimes hey reject him and choose other things to attend rather than his celebration
“The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, and sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: and the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.”
Matthew 22:2-10 KJV
when God chooses someone sometimes hey reject him and choose other things to attend rather than his celebration
I've reposted in my post you what you said.
Here it is again:
" Yes,
but he did not die for their unbelieve. so they are condemned because they have not believed. bnot because they have sinned "
You said that "he did not die for their unbelief" which means according to you, that unbelief is therefore not a sin.
Here it is again:
" Yes,
but he did not die for their unbelieve. so they are condemned because they have not believed. bnot because they have sinned "
You said that "he did not die for their unbelief" which means according to you, that unbelief is therefore not a sin.
They never played a part in his salvation. they got saved just like you and I did
He did not divorce them, As paul said in romans 9 - 11 he temporarity gave their job to the gentiles.. But he will give it back to them, when the time of the gentile is complete
Rom 11:
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 3
God does not go back on his gifts.
You should not be wise in your own opinion and listen to Paul
He did not divorce them, As paul said in romans 9 - 11 he temporarity gave their job to the gentiles.. But he will give it back to them, when the time of the gentile is complete
Rom 11:
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 3
God does not go back on his gifts.
You should not be wise in your own opinion and listen to Paul
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