Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

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ThereRoseaLamb

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rogerg said:
The "we" are the elect, not everyone.
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Nope, you're wrong, you don't get to rewrite the Bible. But since you will try and argue we put a nail in it with this verse...

1 John- He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

No elect written anywhere. For the elect and non elect otherwise it makes no sense.
 
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Everlasting-Grace

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ThereRoseaLamb said:
Nope, you're wrong, you don't get to rewrite the Bible. But since you will try and argue we put a nail in it with this verse...

1 John- He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

No elect written anywhere. For the elect and non elect otherwise it makes no sense.
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Yes, Our would be those who will be saved

The whole world would be those who will not be saved.

he died for them also.
 
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MerSee

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God of loves hates the devil and the nonelect.
 
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MerSee

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Everlasting-Grace said:
No where in scripture does it say this

it says he loved the world.. All his creation..

Stop putting yourself on a platform as if you are special. Your not.
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It is not written in scripture that God loves the Devil and the nonelect in hell.
 
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rogerg

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Everlasting-Grace said:
Yes,

but he did not die for their unbelieve. so they are condemned because they have not believed. bnot because they have sinned
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That's absurd!
If someone is condemned, that which causes condemnation is a sin, otherwise, they couldn't/wouldn't be condemned. Therefore, based upon your own statement, not believing is a sin because by it they are condemned. In effect, by not believing, they call God a liar.
For His elect on the other hand, His death included being forgiven for their sin of unbelief, the forgiveness of which, is why/how they come to belief. To not believe in Christ as the Saviour is not only a sin but it is the sin.

[Heb 7:25 KJV]
25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

[Jhn 12:47-48 KJV]
47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
 
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MerSee

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Are the nonelect predestined to not believe Jesus correctly? :eek:
 
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rogerg

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ThereRoseaLamb said:
Nope, you're wrong, you don't get to rewrite the Bible. But since you will try and argue we put a nail in it with this verse...

1 John- He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

No elect written anywhere. For the elect and non elect otherwise it makes no sense.
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Oh really?

[Eph 1:3-5 KJV]
3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
 
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Everlasting-Grace

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MerSee said:
It is not written in scripture that God loves the Devil and the nonelect in hell.
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It does not say otherwise.

You can;t argue a non sequitor. when it does not prove either way

The bible says God is a God of perfect love. and he says we are to love as he loved.. If God tells us to love our enemies. he better love his enemies. or his is not one who practices what he preaches.
 
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Everlasting-Grace

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That's absurd!
If someone is condemned, that which causes condemnation is a sin, otherwise, they couldn't/wouldn't be condemned. Therefore, based upon your own statement, not believing is a sin because by it they are condemned. In effect, by not believing, they call God a liar.
For His elect on the other hand, His death included being forgiven for their sin of unbelief, the forgiveness of which, is why/how they come to belief. To not believe in Christ as the Saviour is not only a sin but it is the sin.

[Heb 7:25 KJV]
25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

[Jhn 12:47-48 KJV]
47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
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Yawn

John 3:
17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.


18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

They are condemned because they did not believe.

He paid the debt for sin..
 
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MerSee

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Everlasting-Grace said:
Yawn

John 3:
17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.


18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

They are condemned because they did not believe.

He paid the debt for sin..
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Jesus did not pay the debt of the nonelect; all of the nonelect go to hell.
 
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Everlasting-Grace

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MerSee said:
Then this mean that the nonelect choose to not believe Jesus correctly.
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Amen.

Which is why they have no excuse when they stand in front of God. God did not make them unbelieve. they chose to willingly reject him.

And God is just in even sending them to hell.. and is proven a God of love, not hate
 
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Everlasting-Grace

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MerSee said:
Jesus did not pay the debt of the nonelect; all of the nonelect go to hell.
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He paid for their sins.

But not for the sin of unbelief.

no one wilol go to hell because they commited a sin.. If they will. we all will go to hell
 
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rogerg

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Everlasting-Grace said:
Yawn

John 3:
17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.


18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

They are condemned because they did not believe.

He paid the debt for sin..
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Oh my that's truly ridiculous! They are condemned because not believing/trusting in Christ as Saviour is THE SIN and which requires the perpetrator's death as payment.
You actually believe that someone will/can be given eternal judgment/punishment for something not a sin? Really?
What do you think these verses are saying? If sin had been paid for as you say it had been, then how can/does sin remain and cause death as we are told in below that it does?


[1Co 15:55-56 KJV]
55 O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?
56 The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.
 
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ThereRoseaLamb

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rogerg said:
Oh really?

[Eph 1:3-5 KJV]
3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
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That does not mean God chose half of us to go to hell and half to be saved!! I don't care how you understand that verse the whole context of the Bible says that Jesus died for EVERYONE, WHOSOEVER WILL!!! Whoever accepts this free gift WILL BE SAVED!! Stay away from cults and false teachers and dig into the Word. God said He wishes that NONE would perish. What you're saying about God is against His character, and I would dare say blasphemy.
 
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