yes Jew or gentile God has made no distinction, ding ding, both are as ignorant as each other.
The hebrews where saved first ding ding
Predestination is misunderstood...
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The hebrews where saved first ding ding
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Eph 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
The word doesn't show up until Romans 8. Let's stick with the actual passages that contain the word. That's proper bible study.
You addressed one of my posts. My assumption was you were trying to help me understand the scriptures better. So I decided to try to take advantage of your goodwill towards me so I asked a question. If you don't want to answer that's fine.
Paid for but only applied to the believer. It's just because they rejected the Just one.
Cease from trolling.. It's a wha hoo, and a scooby doo to you.
Ding ding
J.
Doesn't that make God unjust to have received the payment of Christ for an individual and then still require payment of them?
The only requirement God has is to believe the gospel. Is that too much to ask to have Christ's shed blood applied to wash away sin?
You avoided the question. God doesn't act outside of who He is. He always acts consistently with His attributes.
I'm glad to believe as you do if you can explain to me how God can accept payment for sin and still require payment and remain just.
Your post #469 doesn't ask me a question. If you are referring to John's question, it was not an answer to the question I asked him. Instead, he made an appeal to emotion...is it too much for God to ask? But the question I asked was dealing with the justice of God which was ignored.
If you want to find fault with me,go ahead. But you did the same thing he did. You made a statement and I asked a question of you. Rather than answer my question, you deflected. So it's a bit disingenuous to call out someone for not answering a question that wasn't asked or to respond to another person's question that ignores the original question.
I'm far from being beyond correction, but you might want to learn about the subject before practicing it. Jesus began first to DO and then to teach.
Do you not believe that Christ died for every man? His blood was shed for every man, but only applied to those that believe. Do you have a problem with the following verse? Is Jesus the Saviour of all men?
1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
Just so we are on the same page-I don't for one second claim to "know it all" and are all FOR correction-so is this what you are doing-throwing/ekballo questions-knowing the answer TO your question-just to peiradzo IF there is a disagreement?
J.
I don't believe that Jesus paid for the sins of every individual. Now that I've answered your question, please pay me the same courtesy.
If God accepts Jesus' payment for sin for an individual and God still requires that individual to pay for their sins, is God still just?
Jesus died for every individual, but his blood is only applied to the sins of those that believe that gospel. Why is this difficult? How do you interpret 1 Timothy 4:10 and many other like verses?
And...
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Your answer suggests that you do not believe Jesus paid for the sins of every individual. However, the search results indicate that the majority of Christian perspectives hold that Jesus' sacrificial death on the cross was intended to cover the sins of all humankind, regardless of whether each individual accepts or rejects this gift
. The New Testament teaches that Jesus died for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2)
, and this universal atonement is supported by various scriptural references
.
The idea that Jesus paid for the sins of every individual does not imply that everyone will automatically be saved or that they will escape the consequences of their actions while alive. Rather, it means that Jesus provided the opportunity for forgiveness and salvation for all individuals, leaving the choice of accepting or rejecting this gift to each person
.
Confidence in Jesus' complete atonement for all sins is central to Christian belief, as it forms the foundation of hope and assurance of salvation for both believers and non-believers alike-
The concept of Jesus paying for the sins of individuals and God's justice is a fundamental aspect of Christian theology. According to Christian belief, Jesus' sacrificial death on the cross was intended to cover the sins of all humankind, and this payment is accepted by God as full and complete. The search results indicate that Jesus, as the perfect God-man, paid the perfect and fully-sufficient payment for sin
. This means that God, in His justice, accepted Jesus' sacrifice as the complete payment for the sins of individuals
. Therefore, if God accepts Jesus' payment for sin for an individual, He is still just, as He has honored the requirement for payment through Jesus' sacrifice
.
The idea that God requires the individual to pay for their sins, despite accepting Jesus' payment, is not consistent with the Christian belief in the sufficiency of Jesus' sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins.
According to Christian doctrine, once an individual accepts Jesus' payment for their sins, they are considered forgiven and justified before God, and the penalty for their sins is fully paid
. Therefore, in this context, God's justice is upheld through the acceptance of Jesus' payment for sin, and there is no additional requirement for the individual to pay for their sins.
Tetelestai!
J.