Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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The "him" is God. Did you not read in the verse I posted, that faith was reckoned to Abraham FOR righteousness. That means that by the faith reckoned to him, was Abraham made righteous - originating as faith of Christ, not as the faith of Abraham
[Phl 3:9 KJV] 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
[Phl 3:9 KJV] 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
The Holy Spirit indwells those who are unregenerate as all the unsaved are unregenerate. His indwelling IS their
regeneration. After which, He remains within them throughout this life,
[Tit 3:5 KJV] 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
regeneration. After which, He remains within them throughout this life,
[Tit 3:5 KJV] 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
God told Abraham something and he believed him
“And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.”
Genesis 15:5-6 KJV
later his faith was tested
“And it came to pass after these things, that God did test Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.”
Genesis 22:1-2 KJV
“And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, and said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: that in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.”
Genesis 22:15-18 KJV
“By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.”
Hebrews 11:17-19
“Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”
James 2:21-24, 26 KJV
aid Abraham had just said “ I believe you lord “
abut then he never listened to God and obeyed and followed it wouldn’t have been the same Abraham life was spent from when God called him following after the lord leading him through life obeying everything God asked of him with joy
anraham was faithful to God imperfect yes but faithful to God and believed what God told him like chrirtians are supposed to believe what Jesus told us and be called his friends like Abraham
“But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.”
Isaiah 41:8 KJV
“This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his Lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.”
John 15:12-15
Being called right and acting right go hand in hand
“And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.”
Genesis 15:5-6 KJV
later his faith was tested
“And it came to pass after these things, that God did test Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.”
Genesis 22:1-2 KJV
“And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, and said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: that in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.”
Genesis 22:15-18 KJV
“By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.”
Hebrews 11:17-19
“Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”
James 2:21-24, 26 KJV
aid Abraham had just said “ I believe you lord “
abut then he never listened to God and obeyed and followed it wouldn’t have been the same Abraham life was spent from when God called him following after the lord leading him through life obeying everything God asked of him with joy
anraham was faithful to God imperfect yes but faithful to God and believed what God told him like chrirtians are supposed to believe what Jesus told us and be called his friends like Abraham
“But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.”
Isaiah 41:8 KJV
“This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his Lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.”
John 15:12-15
Being called right and acting right go hand in hand
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Abraham believed because he had been given the faith of Christ, from/by which faith, Abraham believed. The faith and righteousness were from/by Christ, imputed unto Abraham.
[Gal 2:16 KJV] 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
You left out John 15:16 with your reference to John 15:12 - 15. Verse 16 explains how it is that 12 -15 occur. It comes by Christ, not themselves.
[Jhn 15:16 KJV] 16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
[Gal 2:16 KJV] 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
You left out John 15:16 with your reference to John 15:12 - 15. Verse 16 explains how it is that 12 -15 occur. It comes by Christ, not themselves.
[Jhn 15:16 KJV] 16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Yes.
As the verses below so inform, we are regenerated and renewed only by the Holy Spirit. If it is by the Holy Spirit, then it isn't and can't be by us; if it cannot be by us, then we are and remain unregenerate right up to the point where we become indwelt by the Holy Spirit, which indwelling, occurs as a part of being saved/born again (observe the "his mercy he saved us..."). IOW we are regenerated by the Holy Spirit's washing of regeneration and renewing, and not until then. So, being regenerated is not a prerequisite for salvation but it comes with salvation. Consequently, all of the unsaved, until saved, are unregenerate - which we all were at one time or another.
[Tit 3:5-7 KJV]
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
As the verses below so inform, we are regenerated and renewed only by the Holy Spirit. If it is by the Holy Spirit, then it isn't and can't be by us; if it cannot be by us, then we are and remain unregenerate right up to the point where we become indwelt by the Holy Spirit, which indwelling, occurs as a part of being saved/born again (observe the "his mercy he saved us..."). IOW we are regenerated by the Holy Spirit's washing of regeneration and renewing, and not until then. So, being regenerated is not a prerequisite for salvation but it comes with salvation. Consequently, all of the unsaved, until saved, are unregenerate - which we all were at one time or another.
[Tit 3:5-7 KJV]
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Not sure I follow you: previously you said "The Holy Spirit indwells those who are unregenerate . . ." but now you say then "we are and remain unregenerate right up to the point where we become indwelt by the Holy Spirit, which indwelling, occurs as a part of being saved/born again" ?? It seems to me you are saying two different things.
Yeah, I was afraid that might be misunderstood - my fault. What I was trying to explain was that the unregenerate (which all were until becoming saved) still become saved even while unregenerate; that is, being unregenerate is the normal spiritual state of the unsaved.
It is by becoming saved that one also becomes regenerated. So, having to be regenerate is not a prerequisite that someone can or must first provide for themselves in order to become saved - we were all sinners every bit as sinful as those who do not become saved right up to the point of salvation. Salvation is only given to someone by God's mercy and grace to include regeneration and cannot be given to oneself.
Not sure if this helps - it's a little difficult to explain, hope I that didn't make it worse.
It is by becoming saved that one also becomes regenerated. So, having to be regenerate is not a prerequisite that someone can or must first provide for themselves in order to become saved - we were all sinners every bit as sinful as those who do not become saved right up to the point of salvation. Salvation is only given to someone by God's mercy and grace to include regeneration and cannot be given to oneself.
Not sure if this helps - it's a little difficult to explain, hope I that didn't make it worse.
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I disagree with that notion, for the following reason.
Paul had said in Galatians 3:2,
"I wish only to learn this from you: Did you receive [active (not 'passive')] the Spirit by [ek / ex] works of the Law or by [ek / ex] hearing [G189* ] of faith?"
*G189 - "akoēs " -
3. thing heard;
a. instruction, namely oral; specifically, the preaching of the gospel, [A. V. text report]: John 12:38; Romans 10:16f (τίς ἐπίστευσε τῇ ἀκοῇ ἡμῶν; from Isaiah 53:1, Hebrew שְׁמוּעָה, which in 2 Samuel 4:4, etc., is rendered ἀγγελία); ἀκοὴ πίστεως preaching on the necessity of faith, (German Glaubenspredigt), Galatians 3:2, 5; λόγος ἀκοῆς equivalent to λ. ἀκουσθείς [cf. Winer's Grammar, 531 (494f)]: 1 Thessalonians 2:13; Hebrews 4:2.[<--see this last verse, for example, here: https://biblehub.com/interlinear/hebrews/4-2.htm "...the faith OF THOSE HAVING HEARD"]
--under Thayer's Greek Lexicon heading - https://biblehub.com/greek/189.htm [bold and underline emphasis mine]
Paul had said in Galatians 3:2,
"I wish only to learn this from you: Did you receive [active (not 'passive')] the Spirit by [ek / ex] works of the Law or by [ek / ex] hearing [G189* ] of faith?"
*G189 - "akoēs " -
3. thing heard;
a. instruction, namely oral; specifically, the preaching of the gospel, [A. V. text report]: John 12:38; Romans 10:16f (τίς ἐπίστευσε τῇ ἀκοῇ ἡμῶν; from Isaiah 53:1, Hebrew שְׁמוּעָה, which in 2 Samuel 4:4, etc., is rendered ἀγγελία); ἀκοὴ πίστεως preaching on the necessity of faith, (German Glaubenspredigt), Galatians 3:2, 5; λόγος ἀκοῆς equivalent to λ. ἀκουσθείς [cf. Winer's Grammar, 531 (494f)]: 1 Thessalonians 2:13; Hebrews 4:2.[<--see this last verse, for example, here: https://biblehub.com/interlinear/hebrews/4-2.htm "...the faith OF THOSE HAVING HEARD"]
--under Thayer's Greek Lexicon heading - https://biblehub.com/greek/189.htm [bold and underline emphasis mine]
^ I'd meant to also add the following verse to that post ^ :
Ephesians 1:13 - "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,"
[blb] "in whom you also, having heard the word of truth, the gospel your of salvation, in whom also having believed you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,"
Ephesians 1:13 - "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,"
[blb] "in whom you also, having heard the word of truth, the gospel your of salvation, in whom also having believed you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,"
Not sure I exactly understand your point, so I'll take my best shot at answering.
The "hearing" in view is spiritual hearing and not human hearing. That hearing is given only to those who's ears have been blessed by God to be able to hear spiritually and which comes from/by/with being indwelt by the Holy Spirit.
Being sealed with the Holy Spirit is not the same thing as being indwelt by the Holy Spirit.
One's believing does not cause salvation, instead, it comes as a result of salvation.
[Eph 1:3-5 KJV]
3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
[Mat 13:16 KJV]
16 But blessed [are] your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
The "hearing" in view is spiritual hearing and not human hearing. That hearing is given only to those who's ears have been blessed by God to be able to hear spiritually and which comes from/by/with being indwelt by the Holy Spirit.
Being sealed with the Holy Spirit is not the same thing as being indwelt by the Holy Spirit.
One's believing does not cause salvation, instead, it comes as a result of salvation.
[Eph 1:3-5 KJV]
3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
[Mat 13:16 KJV]
16 But blessed [are] your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
If you even TRIED to do some study
You would know that the word hate there means to love less.
Jesus told us we had to hate our family,, He did not mean hate them, he meant love less
God told us to love our enemy, He is not going to tell us to do something he refuses to do.
That passage is about the nation of Israel anyway. Not individual salvation, so your also taking it out of context
You would know that the word hate there means to love less.
Jesus told us we had to hate our family,, He did not mean hate them, he meant love less
God told us to love our enemy, He is not going to tell us to do something he refuses to do.
That passage is about the nation of Israel anyway. Not individual salvation, so your also taking it out of context
It says he loved the WORLD. That he died for IT.
thew world is cosmos. When you see that word it speaks of the non believer, those apposed to god. Which all of us where when he died for us.
It does not say elect there or non elect. So your statement is a strawman, it does not support you any more than it apposes you
thew world is cosmos. When you see that word it speaks of the non believer, those apposed to god. Which all of us where when he died for us.
It does not say elect there or non elect. So your statement is a strawman, it does not support you any more than it apposes you