Predestination is misunderstood...
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No unbeliever will have his sins mentioned at the final judgment.
The means for judgment will be their works. Human deeds that could never equal the righteousness that God seeks.
A righteousness that we are given when we believe in Christ.
It shows here that no one will have his sins mentioned when the unbeliever faces his final judgment.
Jesus paid for all sins!
No one's sins will be used against them in the final judgment!
grace and peace .................
The means for judgment will be their works. Human deeds that could never equal the righteousness that God seeks.
A righteousness that we are given when we believe in Christ.
It shows here that no one will have his sins mentioned when the unbeliever faces his final judgment.
And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God,
and books were opened. And another book was opened,
which is the Book of Life.
And the dead were judged according to their works,
by the things which were written in the books."
Rev 12:12
Jesus paid for all sins!
No one's sins will be used against them in the final judgment!
grace and peace .................
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I would suggest that the translation of prohorizO as predetermined in the sense of ordained is somewhat misleading. The etymology of the word begins with the root horion, a limit or boundary. horizein, hor- with the infix -iz-, to cause to be [limited], to set a limit. add the prefix pro-, before, to set a limit before., to pre-limit. So, its essential root meaning etymologically is to set limits beforehand, to limit the range of possibilities, not to predetermine a particular outcome. Although one can logically limit possibilities to one specific outcome. The word does not convey the one doing prohorizO making something happen, but the one doing prohorizo imposing constrains to stop certain undesired events happening.
So God did not make the Jews and Romans want to kill Jesus, or to kill Jesus against their will, but he stopped them killing Him by any means other than crucifixion. They wanted to kill Jesus and tried to stone Him. They tried to throw Him off a cliff. But God's angelic bodyguards stopped them. God limited the way they could vent their murderous intent on Jesus to crucifixion in order to fulfil His predictions and prove His omnipotent ability to keep His word.
“ ‘Why did the Gentiles rage,
and the peoples plot in vain?
26 The kings of the earth set themselves,
and the rulers were gathered together,
against the Lord and against his Anointed’—
27 for truly in this city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, 28 to do whatever your hand and your counsel had limited beforehand to happen.
So God did not make the Jews and Romans want to kill Jesus, or to kill Jesus against their will, but he stopped them killing Him by any means other than crucifixion. They wanted to kill Jesus and tried to stone Him. They tried to throw Him off a cliff. But God's angelic bodyguards stopped them. God limited the way they could vent their murderous intent on Jesus to crucifixion in order to fulfil His predictions and prove His omnipotent ability to keep His word.
“ ‘Why did the Gentiles rage,
and the peoples plot in vain?
26 The kings of the earth set themselves,
and the rulers were gathered together,
against the Lord and against his Anointed’—
27 for truly in this city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, 28 to do whatever your hand and your counsel had limited beforehand to happen.
What was satisfied by God was that our sins had to be dealt with completely by His Justice.
All of mankind's sins sins had to be placed onto a perfect substitute container (Jesus sinless body).
Jesus' body was the only body that it was safe to be made the target for the placement and judgment of our sins.
But? If Jesus ever sinned Himself while bearing our sins?
He would have dematerialized! And, all creation with Him would ceased existing.
No fallen man could have done the work that Jesus did.
For if it were a regular man? When the first sin was imputed?
That man would have instantly died and sent to Hell.
Our sins could not have been paid for by anyone (and be able to live) but the Sinless Man Jesus Christ!
All of mankind's sins sins had to be placed onto a perfect substitute container (Jesus sinless body).
Jesus' body was the only body that it was safe to be made the target for the placement and judgment of our sins.
But? If Jesus ever sinned Himself while bearing our sins?
He would have dematerialized! And, all creation with Him would ceased existing.
"He is before all things, and in him all things hold together." Colossians 1:17
No fallen man could have done the work that Jesus did.
For if it were a regular man? When the first sin was imputed?
That man would have instantly died and sent to Hell.
Our sins could not have been paid for by anyone (and be able to live) but the Sinless Man Jesus Christ!
For me it means because God already knows the ending - he already knows who will choose him _ the fate of all who chose him has already been determined. The writer chose to use the word predestined
https://godrules.net/library/strongs2b/gre4309.htm
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah 46:10&version=KJV
When Jesus said "you did not choose me I chose you" in John 15:16 I believe that is strictly speaking to the disciples. And over 2,000 years later their work is still working.
https://godrules.net/library/strongs2b/gre4309.htm
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah 46:10&version=KJV
When Jesus said "you did not choose me I chose you" in John 15:16 I believe that is strictly speaking to the disciples. And over 2,000 years later their work is still working.
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That's correct. I'm not sure if "container" is the right term. However, we have a few here (and everywhere) who hate the idea that Christ died for the sins of the whole world.
Interestingly enough, when you read John Calvin's commentaries on specific Bible passages regarding this, He hews to Scripture and says that Christ died for the human race (see Bible Hub). But then he turned around at some point and began promoting limited atonement in his theology. Spurgeon also promoted this idea. But limited atonement contradicts many passages as well the as the Gospel itself.
Also, it was not only the body of Christ which was made an offering for sin. It was also His holy soul, and His shed blood.
Interestingly enough, when you read John Calvin's commentaries on specific Bible passages regarding this, He hews to Scripture and says that Christ died for the human race (see Bible Hub). But then he turned around at some point and began promoting limited atonement in his theology. Spurgeon also promoted this idea. But limited atonement contradicts many passages as well the as the Gospel itself.
Also, it was not only the body of Christ which was made an offering for sin. It was also His holy soul, and His shed blood.
I do not have much interest in reading John Calvin because of what I have seen from die in the wool Calvinists.
I have no affinity for that way of thinking which to me is a form of forced, induced irrationality ....
To me TULIP is a fruit that leaves a foul aroma in my nostrils. I am not attracted to it.
At one point I learned from a scholarly pastor that much of the blame being thrown at John Calvin for TULIP had originated after his death by his disciples, namely Theodore Beza who was at the helm.
So, I say to myself... Why study him? The only thing I agree with is the depravity of man... But even that was handled in an unbalanced way. TULIP makes the soul and the body equally and hopelessly useless, which makes no sense since God saves souls and throws away bodies into a divine dumpster.
Yet I see believers who are sold out to the teachings of Calvinism... He was good for the Reformation in that he offered an alternative to the tyranny of the RCC and got people interested in breaking away and actually reading the Bible for themselves..
There have to be Biblically rational answers to the questions that TULIP raises and motivates seeking answers for..
In that sense, I see TULIP as a positive force in getting believers to seek better understanding the Word of God.
grace and peace ...................
I have no affinity for that way of thinking which to me is a form of forced, induced irrationality ....
To me TULIP is a fruit that leaves a foul aroma in my nostrils. I am not attracted to it.
At one point I learned from a scholarly pastor that much of the blame being thrown at John Calvin for TULIP had originated after his death by his disciples, namely Theodore Beza who was at the helm.
So, I say to myself... Why study him? The only thing I agree with is the depravity of man... But even that was handled in an unbalanced way. TULIP makes the soul and the body equally and hopelessly useless, which makes no sense since God saves souls and throws away bodies into a divine dumpster.
Yet I see believers who are sold out to the teachings of Calvinism... He was good for the Reformation in that he offered an alternative to the tyranny of the RCC and got people interested in breaking away and actually reading the Bible for themselves..
There have to be Biblically rational answers to the questions that TULIP raises and motivates seeking answers for..
In that sense, I see TULIP as a positive force in getting believers to seek better understanding the Word of God.
grace and peace ...................
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He chose us?
A Groom always chooses his bride.
The bride does not choose him first.
And, we are the Bride of Christ.
Contrary to Calvinism.. we have not been chosen to believe.
But, chosen out from all that God knows would believe for taking a special position in His Eternal kingdom.
grace and peace .......................
A Groom always chooses his bride.
The bride does not choose him first.
And, we are the Bride of Christ.
Contrary to Calvinism.. we have not been chosen to believe.
But, chosen out from all that God knows would believe for taking a special position in His Eternal kingdom.
grace and peace .......................
