Christian Nationalist Movement in the United States

[ResidentAlien]

Im not aware of what the situation looks like in America and if something like what you said could be done there, so I wont comment for this country.

But in Hungary I cant see any alternative that will not risk the survival of the country. Hungary is a small country with a declining population, a high rate of youth emigration and a high mortality rate that will continue increasing as the population ages, and some parts of the country are already having problems with demographic replacement by the gypsy population, which is on the contrary booming and usually unwilling to integrate and prone to crime (neighboring countries also have this problem). So letting the masses in could turn absolutely fatal for Hungary, a civil war could even break out in matter of decades with these demographics. For Hungary and other countries in the region turning them back is our only wise option.

Well, I've never heard Hungary going around claiming to be a "Christian nation," so I wouldn't be inclined to hold it to the same standard. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of Christian nationalists who in one breath say they want to "make America a Christian nation again," then in the next tout the virtues of someone like Donald Trump who wants keep out as many immigrants as possible.

I'm not against building a wall or whatever means are necessary to get some control over who comes in. However, I'm in favor of these things with the goal of making it possible for as many people to come in as possible. All I ever hear Christian nationalists do is complain about the people trying to get into the country and how to keep as many as possible out.

 

[Susanna]

Your posts.

And, I most certainly did address your question. To that you failed to respond.

My posts you can disagree with around the clock, but attacking other people’s character is a different game.

 

[iamsoandso]

I don't know. Clue me in on what you mean by "traditionally handled?"

I wouldn't go back to it. Before 2008 we just drove up to the crossing and they ask if we were US citizens(even the children), if yes they would say have a good trip in Mexico or the US depending on which way you were going but it was easy. After 2008 then if you need a Passport,Visa,ID,Title ect. to enter the US then they are required to enter Mexico... https://www.dhs.gov/news/2009/07/06/background-us-land-border-crossing-updated-procedures

Other than that it depends if you are going only 7 miles across the border on a day trip or beyond 25 miles ect. and for how long/reason ect. as to what you need. This is a live cam from Eagle Pass Texas so you can see it in real time. The top camera is IBC1 which is going into Mexico from Eagle Pass Texas and the one below it(IBC2) is coming the other direction(Mexico to the US). If you look at a vehicle on the "International Bridge camera 1"(IBC1) and remember that vehicle(pick out one easy to remember for ex. a truck with something in the back so it's easy to spot) after about 60 seconds you will see it come into the IBC2(2nd camera on page) and cross the bridge INTO Mexico. So on camera 1(top live cam) is in Texas going into Mexico only but the Cam 2 is showing both directions(lane on left of image is coming from Mexico/lane on the right is from Texas going to Mexico)... https://www.eaglepasstx.gov/310/International-Bridge-I-Cameras

 

[Nehemiah6]

However, it seems to me the Christian thing to do would be to establish a better system for vetting people...

The system for LEGAL IMMIGRATION was already established a long time ago (or are you not aware of that?).

Every immigrant had to wait his or her turn to be vetted and approved for entry. Some had to wait for months or years. And a proper and rigorous system would not have allowed people to abuse the "refugee" and "asylum seeker" status to simply walk in for military purposes (which is now happening with Chinese and Middle Eastern military age men who are creating "sleeper cells" right inside the USA).

The law rejects CRIMINALS, GANGSTERS, AND TERRORISTS from freely entering. But Biden and Mayorkas decided that the existing laws should be totally disregarded and gave an OPEN INVITATION to the worlds crooks and terrorists and handed over the border to the Mexican cartels! That was essentially treason. And in fact all the border patrol personnel should have flatly refused to break the law -- all as a united group of law-abiding citizens -- because they were committed to upholding the law. Had they ALL stood firm and walked off the job, things could have been quite different.

So to put things right it would be necessary to (1) round up each and every migrant who entered illegally since January 2021, (2) deport all of them to Mexico, (3) demand that Mexico sort them out first ( and lock up the criminals and gangsters) and require that each one apply according to the existing laws, and (4) then vet the applications and turn away all bogus applicants. That is in fact the Christian thing to do, since (1) God hates lawlessness and (2) God requires the safety and security of legal citizens against evildoers.

Common sense would have said that the entry of MULTIPLE MILLIONS of illegals without any vetting of any kind would be a major disaster, but the idiots on the Left do not have any common sense or any sense at all. And then to treat them like royalty at tax-payer expense was criminal. The tax payers are being made to suffer and are under serious threat because of these foolish and evil decisions.

 

[EszterBH]

Well, I've never heard Hungary going around claiming to be a "Christian nation," so I wouldn't be inclined to hold it to the same standard. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of Christian nationalists who in one breath say they want to "make America a Christian nation again," then in the next tout the virtues of someone like Donald Trump who wants keep out as many immigrants as possible.

I'm not against building a wall or whatever means are necessary to get some control over who comes in. However, I'm in favor of these things with the goal of making it possible for as many people to come in as possible. All I ever hear Christian nationalists do is complain about the people trying to get into the country and how to keep as many as possible out.

Hungarian nationalists, including PM Orbán regularly speak about Christian Hungary in a similar way to American Republicans.

But I dont see any wrong in doing that, its matter of survival.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Hungarian nationalists, including PM Orbán regularly speak about Christian Hungary in a similar way to American Republicans.

But I dont see any wrong in doing that, its matter of survival.

Okay, I wasn't aware of that. What is your thinking on immigration then? If a nation is going to call itself "Christian" what should its policy be? Should any at all be let in? Should they all just be told to go elsewhere? What should the Christian response be?

 

[SilverFox7]

The system for LEGAL IMMIGRATION was already established a long time ago (or are you not aware of that?).

Every immigrant had to wait his or her turn to be vetted and approved for entry. Some had to wait for months or years. And a proper and rigorous system would not have allowed people to abuse the "refugee" and "asylum seeker" status to simply walk in for military purposes (which is now happening with Chinese and Middle Eastern military age men who are creating "sleeper cells" right inside the USA).

The law rejects CRIMINALS, GANGSTERS, AND TERRORISTS from freely entering. But Biden and Mayorkas decided that the existing laws should be totally disregarded and gave an OPEN INVITATION to the worlds crooks and terrorists and handed over the border to the Mexican cartels! That was essentially treason. And in fact all the border patrol personnel should have flatly refused to break the law -- all as a united group of law-abiding citizens -- because they were committed to upholding the law. Had they ALL stood firm and walked off the job, things could have been quite different.

So to put things right it would be necessary to (1) round up each and every migrant who entered illegally since January 2021, (2) deport all of them to Mexico, (3) demand that Mexico sort them out first ( and lock up the criminals and gangsters) and require that each one apply according to the existing laws, and (4) then vet the applications and turn away all bogus applicants. That is in fact the Christian thing to do, since (1) God hates lawlessness and (2) God requires the safety and security of legal citizens against evildoers.

Common sense would have said that the entry of MULTIPLE MILLIONS of illegals without any vetting of any kind would be a major disaster, but the idiots on the Left do not have any common sense or any sense at all. And then to treat them like royalty at tax-payer expense was criminal. The tax payers are being made to suffer and are under serious threat because of these foolish and evil decisions.

The borders need to be closed and secure ASAP. The concept of allowing millions of unvetted immigrants into our country and putting them through the system (whatever that might be) that could take years to process is complete foolishness.

And, who's footing the bill for all of this? An added burden to many taxpayers who are already living paycheck to paycheck.

 

[ResidentAlien]

And, who's footing the bill for all of this? An added burden to many taxpayers who are already living paycheck to paycheck.

So what's the Christian response to all the people living in horrible conditions who want to come to this country?

 

[Nehemiah6]

And, who's footing the bill for all of this? An added burden to many taxpayers who are already living paycheck to paycheck.

That shows the total contempt and disregard for American citizens by the Communists in power. Communists have never had any regard or respect for the citizens of their countries. They have always oppressed and exploited them, and that is exactly what has happened under the Biden Regime. They HATE Americans but love foreign criminals. In fact they HATE America, its Constitution, and its rule of law.

Probably no one remembers that when the Soviet Union was in existence, their primary goal was to SUBVERT America from within. So all the colleges and universities were infiltrated with Communists, who indoctrinated and brainwash young, impressionable people into a Leftist state of mind. And that has now come to fruition. The Democratic party is in fact the Communist/Fascist party of America.

 

[Nehemiah6]

So what's the Christian response to all the people living in horrible conditions who want to come to this country?

That is quite simple. Demand that the governments of Mexico and all the Central American countries deal with the drug cartels as they should, and confiscate all the billions of drug dollars for the good of their own people. Do they have they will to do it? Not likely.

In the meantime TOTALLY SHUT DOWN the southern border, build a wall, post military personnel right along every mile of the border, and demand that those countries deal with their own issues. There is a lot of wealth down there in the hands of a few, so that is the simple but tough solution. Once the border is shut down and militarized, they will be forced to deal with the poverty of their masses at the expense of the elites.

 

[SilverFox7]

So what's the Christian response to all the people living in horrible conditions who want to come to this country?

Do what we can to make conditions better in their country, so they don't have to migrate here (e.g. setup businesses, manufacturing operations, mutually beneficial trade agreements).

Sorry, we have enough on our plate already without having to now deal with this out-of-control immigration problem that could translate into tragedy if we're not careful. How are these immigrants being managed and controlled? The last thing we need are potential terrorists getting their hands on weapons and causing mass havoc internally and large-scale death if we are not careful.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Do what we can to make conditions better in their country, so they don't have to migrate here (e.g. setup businesses, manufacturing operations, mutually beneficial trade agreements).

Sorry, we have enough on our plate already without having to now deal with this out-of-control immigration problem that could translate into tragedy if we're not careful. How are these immigrants being managed and controlled? The last thing we need are potential terrorists getting their hands on weapons and causing mass havoc internally and large-scale death if we are not careful.

So, seal them out and say sorry friend we have our own problems; we can't be bothered with you. Now that sounds like the response of a Christian nation.

 

[EszterBH]

Okay, I wasn't aware of that. What is your thinking on immigration then? If a nation is going to call itself "Christian" what should its policy be? Should any at all be let in? Should they all just be told to go elsewhere? What should the Christian response be?

A Christian nation is first of all one that protects and cares for its citizens. When you let hordes of immigrants in your country, you degrade the conditions of your citizens, because among other reasons you dont have the resources required to support a sudden excess of population. You either favor your citizens or the immigrants, you cant do both. And neglecting the immigrants in your country is bad idea too, as they will likely rebel (and is a much less Christian behavior).

Im not totally against immigration, but it should be controlled, and in any case they should be forced to work like any citizen if they want to stay. And even then we shouldnt let them enter in too large numbers.

 

[ResidentAlien]

A Christian nation is first of all one that protects and cares for its citizens. When you let hordes of immigrants in your country, you degrade the conditions of your citizens, because among other reasons you dont have the resources required to support a sudden excess of population. You either favor your citizens or the immigrants, you cant do both. And neglecting the immigrants in your country is bad idea too, as they will likely rebel (and is a much less Christian behavior).

Im not totally against immigration, but it should be controlled, and in any case they should be forced to work like any citizen if they want to stay. And even then we shouldnt let them enter in too large numbers.

It sounds like we're basically on the same page. There should be some kind of control over who gets in and how many; and the safety of everyone should be a high priority.

I guess my thinking is that in a nation which calls itself "Christian," there wouldn't be a high priority among the citizens on their own personal interests. They'd be willing to sacrifice for the good of others. That's what concerns me about Christian nationalists who say they want to make the USA a great Christian nation again but aren't interested in personal sacrifice. It makes me wonder if it's not more about political power than Christianity.

 

[Eli1]

A Christian nation is first of all one that protects and cares for its citizens. When you let hordes of immigrants in your country, you degrade the conditions of your citizens, because among other reasons you dont have the resources required to support a sudden excess of population. You either favor your citizens or the immigrants, you cant do both. And neglecting the immigrants in your country is bad idea too, as they will likely rebel (and is a much less Christian behavior).

Im not totally against immigration, but it should be controlled, and in any case they should be forced to work like any citizen if they want to stay. And even then we shouldnt let them enter in too large numbers.

I don't think that's what a Christian nation is.
This is what ResidentAlien is saying.
I don't think a Christian nation exists. The Kingdom of God is within us but as a nation? That's impossible.
This is why it's best to separate Religion and Politics.
I am in favor of strict immigration but as a Christian i would need to have open borders.

To give you a fairly recent example. Remember when the Orthodox Serbs wiped (ethnic cleansing) the Muslims in the region in the 90s?
Well, is that a Christian example? Of course not.
But here's the immigration part. When the refugees flooded the borders to escape death, the nearby countries accepted them despite the fact that they were poor themselves. And here's the most interesting part, they did this NOT because they were Christian nations, but because it was the humane thing to do.
This is why Christianity gets a bad name when it's mixed with Politics.

Be honest and fair about it so there's no confusion to others.
I want strong borders, but don't claim to be a Christian nation too.

 

[SilverFox7]

So, seal them out and say sorry friend we have our own problems; we can't be bothered with you. Now that sounds like the response of a Christian nation.

An unfortunate realty in our secular world. We don't have endless resources, and our national debt is now in excess of $34 trillion? Just keep going deeper into debt to fund illegal immigrants, too?

We need to face the fact that these issues are beyond our control as humanity. Jesus Christ and His return is our best hope.

 

[IloveViethoney]

There are differences between fascism and communism, but they're not significant. Both use chaos and fear to seize power. Both want to run our lives and treat us like a group rather than protect individual rights. Both are police states. How is one Right and the other Left? They both look an awful lot like each other.

I see moving to the right as being increasingly chaotic and government-free, and moving left as increasingly authoritarian. Moving to the Right should not produce the exact same results as moving to the Left. Makes no sense.

Re: German boy... Adolf was reactionary in a certain sense, and perhaps you are correct in that this was a right-wing aspect of his movement. But, his economic and governmental models, and his tactics or getting there, were Leftist.

I guess you're thinking of things in terms of how strong and take-no-crap the government is. I'm thinking more in terms of what the populace is encouraged to do. It's kind of like a work place where you have a boss who is pushing everyone to do their best work and really disciplinary to those who don't compared to another boss who wants the workers to do unrealistic nonsense he just made up and applies the same level of punishment and discipline to it. For the second example I am reminded of a story someone told of a business that sold things. The guy was a consultant who knew a lot about personality and how it applies to work places. He found successful salespeople in America are low in agreeableness but not drastically low. This bit of narcissism and selfishness made them good at selling. When the company that consulted him had tried to get all these selfish people to work together as a happy family and share their sales secrets or whatever, the result was most of them finding another job and getting out of there. Now just add the element of them being forcefully made to stay and work there and you get leftist-type abuse. This is like the communist insanity of how we're all going to share and be equal as a society (except the privileged few that don't have to).

If you give people the same stuff with the same income, even then they will still end up becoming unequal. One person will waste their money on consumption while another saves. One person will invest and succeed whether by skill or luck, and another might invest and fail. Someone might find a means by which to generate more income than just the weekly stipend they're all given.

With the left you have unrealistic, idealistic nonsense being pushed on everyone. We see this in America and Western Europe with claims that all races are equal in ability and even that the genders are equal in ability. Every time the reality of differences rears its ugly head, the differences are blamed on discrimination rather than the plain fact these groups are different.

With the right, things tend to be practical and down to earth. There is going too far with this stuff where the leader is demanding people walk up vertical walls unassisted by anything, just pure leg power. If things are kept realistic, the society is more like a boot camp where people are pressured to be serious and work hard more so than they'd normal be. A reasonable amount of this ultimately tends to produce some good productivity results while not being light and comfortable. I would prefer to live in a place like this, but I guess a lot of people want to be lazy slackers as much as possible.

 

[mailmandan]

An unfortunate realty in our secular world. We don't have endless resources, and our national debt is now in excess of $34 trillion? Just keep going deeper into debt to fund illegal immigrants, too?

We need to face the fact that these issues are beyond our control as humanity. Jesus Christ and His return is our best hope.

 

[IloveViethoney]

We were founded by Christians and our government reflects Christian thinking. We were seen as a Christian nation back then, but not as a theocracy. You don't need to be a theocracy to be a Christian country.

That being said, we've drifted terribly from the founders' vision of a "moral and religious people". It is for that reason that we are seeing the communo-fascists rise in influence. One god must replace Another, since we are designed to need something bigger than ourselves.

The constitution and government of America were made to work in conjunction with a culturally Christian populace from Europe. If you change the people or even the culture, it will cease to work.

I would bring up the example of being entitled to a jury of my peers. Back then a jury would be other white, Christian people. These days a jury could have blacks, Hispanics, East Asians, other Asians, Muslims, Satanists, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. I honestly don't consider these people to be my peers. As far as race, I would consider some of them to be while others I would not.

 

[IloveViethoney]

Nobody really wants to talk about the best way forward (according to the Bible) since that would lead to mass executions in order to purge the system -- For he [the exceutioner] is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. (Romans 13:4) The "sword" stands for any instrument of execution, and those are the warning words of God through Paul.

Have evildoers hijacked the USA? That should be obvious to anyone who wants the truth. Is treason being committed every day AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS, and is lawlessness being deliberately promoted by so-called "law enforcement" agencies? Were crimes against humanity perpetrated by the governments for several years during the COVID "pandemic"? Should there have been a Nuremberg 2.0 where Anthony Fauci would be tried and punished, along with all the others who forced lethal bioweapons upon the general population? Today there is no deterrent to evildoers, so we see anarchy and chaos on a daily basis.

My idea for fixing things is to cut off the welfare state somewhere while other places are welfare paradises. We will watch the parasites flee to places like New York and Los Angeles. We could use the left's love of welfare and open borders against them. I would also set up serious deterrents against illegals being present in a nation.