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Well, either you actually expected to see the exact words of your question, or you are not understanding Scripture all that well. I gave you exactly what you asked for:
34And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
As for "no Lectures," how is posting Scripture a "leacture?"
goodness......reading comprehension truly is an Art Form
34And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
As for "no Lectures," how is posting Scripture a "leacture?"
goodness......reading comprehension truly is an Art Form
Perhaps we don’t ask what a person is going to do with our giving because we are doing it for Jesus Christ…
And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men; Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Col.3.23,Col.3.24&version=KJV
There is joy and peace in giving. We cannot try to control what others do with our gifts…that would not be love, it would be fear.
Only give if God makes it clear to you and you have peace. Some people manipulate and try to put a person under guilt and shame… in that case, RUN!
If giving scares you, take some baby steps of faith… when you feel the joy and peace in giving, you will give more and more.
I was kind of scared to give and tithe at first but now I’m scared NOT to give and tithe! Lol!
And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men; Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Col.3.23,Col.3.24&version=KJV
There is joy and peace in giving. We cannot try to control what others do with our gifts…that would not be love, it would be fear.
Only give if God makes it clear to you and you have peace. Some people manipulate and try to put a person under guilt and shame… in that case, RUN!
If giving scares you, take some baby steps of faith… when you feel the joy and peace in giving, you will give more and more.
I was kind of scared to give and tithe at first but now I’m scared NOT to give and tithe! Lol!
God would not have us come across as patronizing or condescending. I think this is more of a general understanding interpolated from many Scriptures rather that one particular verse. Giving someone/anyone the benefit of the doubt is more virtuous than profiling and judging.
James 2:
1My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
2For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
3And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
4Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
James 2:
1My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
2For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
3And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
4Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
This is true enough. On the other hand, when Paul was teaching about the support of widows (a charitable work), he explained that all widows could not automatically be supported by the church. That wisdom would need to be used to only support those who deserved to be supported ("honoured"). This principle could be applicable for all charitable work.
1 Timothy 5: 3-16: WHICH WIDOWS SHOULD BE SUPPORTED
3 Honour widows that are widows indeed.
4 But if any widow have children or nephews, let them learn first to shew piety at home, and to requite their parents: for that is good and acceptable before God.
5 Now she that is a widow indeed, and desolate, trusteth in God, and continueth in supplications and prayers night and day.
6 But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.
7 And these things give in charge, that they may be blameless.
8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
9 Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man,
10 Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints' feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work.
11 But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry;
12 Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.
13 And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.
14 I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.
15 For some are already turned aside after Satan.
16 If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed.
1 Timothy 5: 3-16: WHICH WIDOWS SHOULD BE SUPPORTED
3 Honour widows that are widows indeed.
4 But if any widow have children or nephews, let them learn first to shew piety at home, and to requite their parents: for that is good and acceptable before God.
5 Now she that is a widow indeed, and desolate, trusteth in God, and continueth in supplications and prayers night and day.
6 But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.
7 And these things give in charge, that they may be blameless.
8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
9 Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man,
10 Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints' feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work.
11 But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry;
12 Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.
13 And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.
14 I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.
15 For some are already turned aside after Satan.
16 If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed.
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I would feel much more comfortable if Paul used less "I will"s and more "God wills". I guess we must let Paul be Paul and give him the benefit of the doubt. I certainly can't see Jesus turning away someone...
He could have at least bought her a cheeseburger at McD's!
It's no wonder that the old miser couldn't find a wife. He assumes all widows will wax wanton and marry? (Probably not marry a man like him.)
As I say, the Bible tells all; the good, the bad, and the ugly.
Maybe Pual had some sort of thorn in the flesh that was acting up at the time?
He could have at least bought her a cheeseburger at McD's!
It's no wonder that the old miser couldn't find a wife. He assumes all widows will wax wanton and marry? (Probably not marry a man like him.)
As I say, the Bible tells all; the good, the bad, and the ugly.
Maybe Pual had some sort of thorn in the flesh that was acting up at the time?
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You are misunderstanding Paul. His "I wills" were not his own opinions. God gave him the revelations he needed and he spoke with apostolic authority. We should never forget that Peter called ALL of Paul's epistles Scripture. And they are indeed the Word of God. Over 50% of the NT consists of his epistles.
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Everyone has given thoughtful answers (as possibilities).
I wonder if the OP was perhaps remembering a kind of *application* someone (teacher, pastor, parent, speaker) was supplying regarding the following passage (as I've heard many give):
Jhn 21:22
Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.
Jhn 21:23
Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?
[application I've heard: don't concern yourself with what I've given to THAT GUY... *you* follow Me...]
I wonder if the OP was perhaps remembering a kind of *application* someone (teacher, pastor, parent, speaker) was supplying regarding the following passage (as I've heard many give):
Jhn 21:22
Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.
Jhn 21:23
Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?
[application I've heard: don't concern yourself with what I've given to THAT GUY... *you* follow Me...]
You probably heard it from a prosperity preacher. It's not in the bible. I know I've heard it from a prosperity preacher. With reference to tithing he said that what he did with the tithe after you gave it to him was none of your concern even if he used it to lay with a harlot.... one problem with that is; if he's laying with harlots, he definitely should be in the pews and not the pulpit. The moral of their teaching is SHUT UP AND GIVE ME MONEY, OR YOU DON'T LOVE GOD!!!
With respect to gifts to the poor, et. al.; exercising discretion is good. The idea behind giving is that you are supplying a need, right? If you give someone money, and they don't spend it on their need- then your gift was a stumbling block instead of supplying a need.
With respect to gifts to the poor, et. al.; exercising discretion is good. The idea behind giving is that you are supplying a need, right? If you give someone money, and they don't spend it on their need- then your gift was a stumbling block instead of supplying a need.
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Hmm I don't know about that "verse".
Matt says "Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you"
There is Rom 12:8-21?
Matt says "Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you"
There is Rom 12:8-21?
