When God gathers Israel into the land of Israel.

[Shilohsfoal]

Ezekiel chapter 37 gives a great account of the events when God gathers Israel into the land of Israel.How he causes flesh to form on the people of Israels bones and then will bring them up out of their graves.He will breath his holy spirit into Israel and will then bring Israel into their own land.

Ezekiel 37
12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.


And God will give the people of Israel a king who shall reign forever

Ezekiel 37
24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.




Isaiah 66

Who has ever heard of such things? Who has ever seen things like this? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children.


All in a day.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Seeing that God describes how he will gather israel.back into the land of Israel. One should consider the evil that has come and decieved the world into believing God had already gathered Israel.

Revelation 13
13 The dragon[a] stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. 3 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast.





The deadly wound has been healed and people from all over the world have followed after the beast.God did not gather them.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

In Ezekiel 37, it is not a physical/bodily resurrection from the dead.

Same as is being explained in Hosea 5:14-6:3 (also about Israel)...

...and same as in Isaiah 26:13-21,17-19...

...and same as in Daniel 12:1-4 (not v.13)...

...and same as in Romans 11:15[.25,27]...

NONE of these passages are about a "physical / bodily" resurrection from the dead.



Rather, they are about Israel coming up out of the graveyard of nations WHERE SCATTERED (judicially scattered--"in the dust of the earth" i.e. the nations, where scattered). In Ezekiel 37 they are first saying, "...our hope is lost; we are cut off for our parts" (v.11).






Matthew 24:29-31 / Isaiah 27:9,12-13 [Rom11:27; Dan9:24parts] is when THEY will be gathered "ONE BY ONE" to one location upon the earth, and will "worship the Lord in the holy mount, AT JERUSALEM" (the opposite [outcome/end] of their judicial "scattering" TO THE FOUR WINDS, i.e. to the nations [plural])

 

[Shilohsfoal]

In Ezekiel 37, it is not a physical/bodily resurrection from the dead.

Same as is being explained in Hosea 5:14-6:3 (also about Israel)...

...and same as in Isaiah 26:13-21,17-19...

...and same as in Daniel 12:1-4 (not v.13)...

...and same as in Romans 11:15[.25,27]...

NONE of these passages are about a "physical / bodily" resurrection from the dead.



Rather, they are about Israel coming up out of the graveyard of nations WHERE SCATTERED (judicially scattered--"in the dust of the earth" i.e. the nations, where scattered).






Matthew 24:29-31 / Isaiah 27:9,12-13 [Rom11:27; Dan9:24parts] is when THEY will be gathered "ONE BY ONE" to one location upon the earth, and will "worship the Lord in the holy mount, AT JERUSALEM" (the opposite of their judicial "scattering" TO THE FOUR WINDS, i.e. to the nations [plural])

You believe bones,tendons ,flesh and skin are not bodily?

If bones,tendons ,flesh and skin are not bodily then what do you think is bodily?Air?



Ezekiel 37
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.

8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.


According to your beliefs,what is bone,tendons,flesh,and skin?
You know,all those things that make up a body.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

In Ezekiel 37, it is not a physical/bodily resurrection from the dead.

Same as is being explained in Hosea 5:14-6:3 (also about Israel)...

...and same as in Isaiah 26:13-21,17-19...

...and same as in Daniel 12:1-4 (not v.13)...

...and same as in Romans 11:15[.25,27]...

NONE of these passages are about a "physical / bodily" resurrection from the dead.



Rather, they are about Israel coming up out of the graveyard of nations WHERE SCATTERED (judicially scattered--"in the dust of the earth" i.e. the nations, where scattered). In Ezekiel 37 they are first saying, "...our hope is lost; we are cut off for our parts" (v.11).






Matthew 24:29-31 / Isaiah 27:9,12-13 [Rom11:27; Dan9:24parts] is when THEY will be gathered "ONE BY ONE" to one location upon the earth, and will "worship the Lord in the holy mount, AT JERUSALEM" (the opposite [outcome/end] of their judicial "scattering" TO THE FOUR WINDS, i.e. to the nations [plural])

And let us not forget.God says he will puit his spirit in the people of Israel when opens their graves and brings them into the land promised to Jacob.


Ezekiel 37

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Did you look up all of the parallel passages I supplied in my post?

I'll lay one of them out for you here (but I do hope you will go examine all of them in your own copy)...




"For if the casting away of them [Israel] be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?" - Romans 11:15[,25,27]







Are you thinking that "the casting away of them [/Israel]" refers to PHYSICAL DEATH (as in, He slaughtered them all rather than SCATTERING THEM TO THE FOUR WINDS / nations)??

It doesn't.



This passage is referring to a future, specific time-period ("the receiving of them [/Israel]"-v.15).

It will be when their judicial "hardening [/blindness]... UNTIL" is concluded (at a very specific future time).

But it pertains to "still-living"/MORTAL/ALIVE persons (not physically DEAD ones--same as in all those other passages I supplied, in the same way)

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Ezekiel chapter 37 gives a great account of the events when God gathers Israel into the land of Israel.How he causes flesh to form on the people of Israels bones and then will bring them up out of their graves.He will breath his holy spirit into Israel and will then bring Israel into their own land.

Ezekiel 37
12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.


And God will give the people of Israel a king who shall reign forever

Ezekiel 37
24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.




Isaiah 66

Who has ever heard of such things? Who has ever seen things like this? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children.


All in a day.

What about when God gathers the Edomites into Isreal 😊

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Did you look up all of the parallel passages I supplied in my post?

I'll lay one of them out for you here (but I do hope you will go examine all of them in your own copy)...




"For if the casting away of them [Israel] be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?" - Romans 11:15[,25,27]







Are you thinking that "the casting away of them [/Israel]" refers to PHYSICAL DEATH (as in, He slaughtered them all rather than SCATTERING THEM TO THE FOUR WINDS / nations)??

It doesn't.



This passage is referring to a future, specific time-period ("the receiving of them [/Israel]"-v.15).

It will be when their judicial "hardening [/blindness]... UNTIL" is concluded (at a very specific future time).

But it pertains to "still-living"/MORTAL/ALIVE persons (not physically DEAD ones--same as in all those other passages I supplied, in the same way)

Ezekiel 37 is about physically dead bodies buried in the ground.

They are all brought up out of the ground at the same time.The whole house of Israel.
Not parts ,but the whole entire house.
This would include Jeremiah,Daniel,and Moses all coming up out of their graves and being transported into the land of Israel.


11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Did you look up all of the parallel passages I supplied in my post?

I'll lay one of them out for you here (but I do hope you will go examine all of them in your own copy)...




"For if the casting away of them [Israel] be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?" - Romans 11:15[,25,27]







Are you thinking that "the casting away of them [/Israel]" refers to PHYSICAL DEATH (as in, He slaughtered them all rather than SCATTERING THEM TO THE FOUR WINDS / nations)??

It doesn't.



This passage is referring to a future, specific time-period ("the receiving of them [/Israel]"-v.15).

It will be when their judicial "hardening [/blindness]... UNTIL" is concluded (at a very specific future time).

But it pertains to "still-living"/MORTAL/ALIVE persons (not physically DEAD ones--same as in all those other passages I supplied, in the same way)

It's going to happen .You don't have to believe it can happen,it's going to anyways.


John 5
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

According to your beliefs,what is bone,tendons,flesh,and skin?
You know,all those things that make up a body.

Verse 11 explains the passage, by saying, "Son of man, THESE BONES are THE WHOLE HOUSE OF ISRAEL"





Then it shows them saying (what I'd pointed out in my post), "In Ezekiel 37 they are first saying, "...our hope is lost; we are cut off for our parts" (v.11).




your verses John 5:28-29 IS talking about a physical/bodily resurrection;

but NONE of the following are speaking to that:

--Ezek37

--Hosea 5:14-6:3

--Romans 11:15[,25,27]

--Isa26:13-21

--Dan12:1-4 (distinct from v.13)

--John 6:39 (distinct from v.40)



(THESE speak to Israel coming up out of the graveyard of nations, WHERE SCATTERED--not physical death)

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Verse 11 explains the passage, by saying, "Son of man, THESE BONES are THE WHOLE HOUSE OF ISRAEL"





Then it shows them saying (what I'd pointed out in my post), "In Ezekiel 37 they are first saying, "...our hope is lost; we are cut off for our parts" (v.11).

It also says they will be brought up out of their graves.The word of God says they will be brought up out of their graves three times in two verses but you don't believe it




11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.



John 5
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

It's going to happen .You don't have to believe it can happen,it's going to anyways.


John 5
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

where are the Edomites tho, God told the Israelites not to step one foot on the land of the Edomites, and sent the Israelites into Egypt.

I personaly feal the Edomites have already been gathered in Isreal. Because told them to stay there whilst he sent the Israelites into Egypt.

There's no talk of God sending the Edomites into exile.

I think I want to be a Edomite 😊

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

It also says they will be brought up out of their graves.The word of God says they will be brought up out of their graves three times in two verses but you don't believe it

Almost ALL of these passages I just supplied are LIKENING THIS TO a resurrection, but it is not "from being formerly PHYSICALLY/BODILY *DEAD*" (rather, judicially SCATTERED [as a NATION]... in the "dust of the earth" i.e. TO THE NATIONS [not as "dead bodies"])


--Ezek37

--Hosea 5:14-6:3

--Romans 11:15[,25,27]

--Isa26:13-21

--Dan12:1-4 (distinct from v.13)

--John 6:39 (distinct from v.40)



(THESE speak to Israel coming up out of the graveyard of nations, WHERE SCATTERED--not physical death)





ALL OF THESE PASSAGES SIMILARLY *PICTURE* the SAME THING (LIKENING it to a resurrection)

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Almost ALL of these passages I just supplied are LIKENING THIS TO a resurrection, but it is not "from being formerly PHYSICALLY/BODILY *DEAD*" (rather, judicially SCATTERED [as a NATION]... in the "dust of the earth" i.e. TO THE NATIONS [not as "dead bodies"])


--Ezek37

--Hosea 5:14-6:3

--Romans 11:15[,25,27]

--Isa26:13-21

--Dan12:1-4 (distinct from v.13)

--John 6:39 (distinct from v.40)



(THESE speak to Israel coming up out of the graveyard of nations, WHERE SCATTERED--not physical death)





ALL OF THESE PASSAGES SIMILARLY *PICTURE* the SAME THING (LIKENING it to a resurrection)

Well,you still have not explained what bones,tendons ,flesh and skin are.

Ezekiel 37
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.

8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.


According to your beliefs,what is bone,tendons,flesh,and skin?


What does it mean to cover bones with tendons flesh and skin?

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ ( @Shiloahsfoal ) Verse 7's "THE BONES CAME TOGETHER" is explained in the following section starting in verse 11... SEE... (the whole passages) as a *PICTURE* / *ILLUSTRATION* (of Israel) :


Eze 37:7
So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.

Eze 37:8
And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.

Eze 37:9
Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live. [SAME "live [H2421]" word as is also used in Hosea 5:14-6:3! SEE THAT PASSAGE... about "still-alive"/"mortal" persons saying this!! (2x in v.2!)]

Eze 37:10
So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.


The Vision Explained

Eze 37:11
Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. [Note: this is not referring to physically-dead people--same exact manner that Jeremiah spoke (of himself) in Lam3]

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ EDIT to CORRECT typo: Sorry, that post was supposed to be addressed to @Shilohsfoal




[adding the link to that passage here too: https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/eze/37/7/s_839007 ]

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

As to another one of the passages:


Isaiah 26:19 (SEE ENTIRE CONTEXT, vv.13-21 re: the nation of Israel)


Re: Isa 26:19 (one of the parallel passages I LISTED in previous posts) - "shall cast out [H5307]" -

H5307 -

"6. Other idioms are: bring to life (properly drop young) Isaiah 26:19 (figurative); present supplication Jeremiah 38:26; Jeremiah 42:9; Daniel 9:18, 20 (all with לִפְנֵי); — on both compare Qal 6." [see below, for that]

[and]

"6. Other idiomatic uses are: לְמִשְׁכָּב נ׳ take to one's bed Exodus 21:18 (E); settle Genesis 25:18 (J); = alight quickly, מֵעַל הַגָּמָל Genesis 24:64 (J), מֵעַל הַמֶּרְכָּבָה 2 Kings 5:21; waste away Numbers 5:21, 22, 27; = be born Isaiah 26:18 (compare Hiph. Isaiah 26:19); [...]"



-- https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/h5307/kjv/wlc/0-1/ (under the heading "Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon"; bold, color, and underline emphasis mine)






["...what shall the RECEIVING of them [/Israel] be, but LIFE FROM THE DEAD?" - Romans 11:15[,25,27 (Isa27:9,12-13 / Dan9:24parts)]

 

[Shilohsfoal]

^ ( @Shiloahsfoal ) Verse 7's "THE BONES CAME TOGETHER" is explained in the following section starting in verse 11... SEE... (the whole passages) as a *PICTURE* / *ILLUSTRATION* (of Israel) :


Eze 37:7
So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.

Eze 37:8
And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.

Eze 37:9
Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live. [SAME "live [H2421]" word as is also used in Hosea 5:14-6:3! SEE THAT PASSAGE... about "still-alive"/"mortal" persons saying this!! (2x in v.2!)]

Eze 37:10
So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.


The Vision Explained

Eze 37:11
Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. [Note: this is not referring to physically-dead people--same exact manner that Jeremiah spoke (of himself) in Lam3]

If they are not physically dead then why would the bones need tendons,flesh and skin?And why are they in graves?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

As to another one of the passages:


Isaiah 26:19 (SEE ENTIRE CONTEXT, vv.13-21 re: the nation of Israel)


Re: Isa 26:19 (one of the parallel passages I LISTED in previous posts) - "shall cast out [H5307]" -

H5307 -

"6. Other idioms are: bring to life (properly drop young) Isaiah 26:19 (figurative); present supplication Jeremiah 38:26; Jeremiah 42:9; Daniel 9:18, 20 (all with לִפְנֵי); — on both compare Qal 6." [see below, for that]

[and]

"6. Other idiomatic uses are: לְמִשְׁכָּב נ׳ take to one's bed Exodus 21:18 (E); settle Genesis 25:18 (J); = alight quickly, מֵעַל הַגָּמָל Genesis 24:64 (J), מֵעַל הַמֶּרְכָּבָה 2 Kings 5:21; waste away Numbers 5:21, 22, 27; = be born Isaiah 26:18 (compare Hiph. Isaiah 26:19); [...]"



-- https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/h5307/kjv/wlc/0-1/ (under the heading "Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon"; bold, color, and underline emphasis mine)






["...what shall the RECEIVING of them [/Israel] be, but LIFE FROM THE DEAD?" - Romans 11:15[,25,27 (Isa27:9,12-13 / Dan9:24parts)]

We are talking about people who are under the ground.They are in graves like John 5.


I understand you believe the people of Israel who are buried will not be brought up out of their graves.You have made that perfectly clear.
But scripture says they are brought up out of their graves and most people believe that is exactly what the word of God is talking about.
People coming up out of their graves.

John 5
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

If they are not physically dead then why would the bones need tendons,flesh and skin?And why are they in graves?

It is a "picture" of the nation of Israel as judicially SCATTERED (i.e. saying, "OUR HOPE IS LOST"). In the same way that Isa26 uses the word/phrase "DUST OF THE EARTH" or "DWELL IN DUST" (speaking of the graveyard OF NATIONS, where they've been judicially SCATTERED--not physically [and individually] DEAD)






Just like when Scripture refers to THIS guy, it is NOT suggesting that he was "resurrected FROM THE DEAD" for this role he's given here:

"Forasmuch as I exalted thee out of the dust, and made thee prince over my people Israel; and thou hast walked in the way of Jeroboam, and hast made my people Israel to sin, to provoke me to anger with their sins;"

...no, that's a living person... but the language is such (as in Isa26) that it SOUNDS LIKE he was "buried in the ground/grave".



In Ezekiel 37, the "dry bones" prophecy, it is using PICTURE-LANGUAGE to describe Israel's present state (judicially SCATTERED / INTO THE NATIONS--but this passage goes onto show its REVERSAL--i.e. them being brought back INTO THEIR LAND [yet future to us, just like Romans 11:15,25,27 / Isa27:9,12-13 / Matt24:29-31 / Dan9:24parts ALSO SAYS... not to mention the other parallel passages I listed in my previous posts, ALL of them LIKENING THIS UNTO 'a resurrection']