Can anyone else define these terms as they are used in the Bible?

[PaulThomson]

Well-it is very easy to give you the definitions-in Hebrew and Greek-I have already answered 2.
Shalom
J.

Do you have any scriptures from which you are deriving proof of a biblically-based definition in English.

definition
noun
def·i·ni·tion ˌde-fə-ˈni-shən

Synonyms of definition
1
a
: a statement of the meaning of a word or word group or a sign or symbol
dictionary definitions

b
: a statement expressing the essential nature of something
c
: a product of defining

2
: the action or process of stating the meaning of a word or word group

3
a
: the action or the power of describing, explaining, or making definite and clear
the definition of a telescope

her comic genius is beyond definition

b(1)
: clarity of visual presentation : distinctness of outline or detail
improve the definition of an image

 

[JaumeJ]

Two wonderful translations from Hebrw, in lieu of transliterations are the tranlslations of David and Jesse, the king of Israel and His father, David would be Beloved, and Jesse *Yeshi, is My Redeemer. Talk about prophetic and promisingnames..

It has always given me great gratification translating Hebrew nes fully instead of stopping at transliterations. Another blessed one is, the name of the birthplace of our Bread from Heaven, Bethlehem, Beit lechem, House of Bread.. If I were still eight years old, I would say neeto peezo. I will say it here anyway. God bless all.

 

[Johann]

Two wonderful translations from Hebrw, in lieu of transliterations are the tranlslations of David and Jesse, the king of Israel and His father, David would be Beloved, and Jesse *Yeshi, is My Redeemer. Talk about prophetic and promisingnames..

It has always given me great gratification translating Hebrew nes fully instead of stopping at transliterations. Another blessed one is, the name of the birthplace of our Bread from Heaven, Bethlehem, Beit lechem, House of Bread.. If I were still eight years old, I would say neeto peezo. I will say it here anyway. God bless all.

Num 6:24 Y'varekhekha Adonai v'yishmerekha (Hashem bless thee, and keep thee);
Num 6:25 Ya'er Adonai panav eleikha vichunekha (Hashem make His face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee);
Num 6:26 Yissa Adonai panav eleikha v'yasem l'kha shalom (Hashem lift up His countenance upon thee, and give thee shalom).
Num 6:27 And they shall put My Shem upon the Bnei Yisroel, and I will bless them.

והניף אותם הכהן תנופה לפני יהוה קדשׁ הוא לכהן על חזה התנופה ועל שׁוק התרומה ואחר ישׁתה הנזיר יין׃
זאת תורת הנזיר אשׁר ידר קרבנו ליהוה על־נזרו מלבד אשׁר־תשׂיג ידו כפי נדרו אשׁר ידר כן יעשׂה על תורת נזרו׃

וידבר יהוה אל־משׁה לאמר׃
דבר אל־אהרן ואל־בניו לאמר כה תברכו את־בני ישׂראל אמור להם׃
יברכך יהוה וישׁמרך׃
יאר יהוה פניו אליך ויחנך׃
ישׂא יהוה פניו אליך וישׂם לך שׁלום׃

ושׂמו את־שׁמי על־בני ישׂראל ואני אברכם׃

Don't like transliterations brother?
J.

 

[PaulThomson]

Num 6:24 Y'varekhekha Adonai v'yishmerekha (Hashem bless thee, and keep thee);
Num 6:25 Ya'er Adonai panav eleikha vichunekha (Hashem make His face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee);
Num 6:26 Yissa Adonai panav eleikha v'yasem l'kha shalom (Hashem lift up His countenance upon thee, and give thee shalom).
Num 6:27 And they shall put My Shem upon the Bnei Yisroel, and I will bless them.

והניף אותם הכהן תנופה לפני יהוה קדשׁ הוא לכהן על חזה התנופה ועל שׁוק התרומה ואחר ישׁתה הנזיר יין׃
זאת תורת הנזיר אשׁר ידר קרבנו ליהוה על־נזרו מלבד אשׁר־תשׂיג ידו כפי נדרו אשׁר ידר כן יעשׂה על תורת נזרו׃

וידבר יהוה אל־משׁה לאמר׃
דבר אל־אהרן ואל־בניו לאמר כה תברכו את־בני ישׂראל אמור להם׃
יברכך יהוה וישׁמרך׃
יאר יהוה פניו אליך ויחנך׃
ישׂא יהוה פניו אליך וישׂם לך שׁלום׃

ושׂמו את־שׁמי על־בני ישׂראל ואני אברכם׃

Don't like transliterations brother?
J.

Hi, Johann. Transliterations are fine. But you are trying to derail the thread and are off topic. The thread is asking for biblically-based definitions for a list of contentions terms being used elsewhere. If you have a response to the OP, you are welcome to participate. If you want to troll and derail the thread, it is childish and not appreciated.

 

[Johann]

Hi, Johann. Transliterations are fine. But you are trying to derail the thread and are off topic. The thread is asking for biblically-based definitions for a list of contentions terms being used elsewhere. If you have a response to the OP, you are welcome to participate. If you want to troll and derail the thread, it is childish and not appreciated.

Not here to troll anyone.
My apologies.
J.

 

[PaulThomson]

Not here to troll anyone.
My apologies.
J.

Fine. I choose to believe you. I look froward to your responses to the very specific invitation of the OP.

 

[PaulThomson]

Come let us reason this out.

You are saying that Paul as apostle was unable to do what he willed.
As apostle when he willed to good he did evil
you saying he was [as apostle] captive to sin.

No. I didn't say that.
In Romans 7 Paul is describing his spiritual path from birth to His conversion Rom. 7:9a, to his coming of an age of moral accountability under Judaism Rom. 7:9b - 24, to his learning the gospel Rom. 7: 25

 

[Mem]

Perhaps the definition would be more readily facilitated if what it is not first be determined as an axiom.

Therefore, we can say that biblically, will does not include doing what is willed. Inability to do what is willed in no way constrains one's genuine ability to nevertheless will that thing.

I've heard it said that "by sheer will," such and such was done. I've never thought about what this even suggests Although the phrase certainly seems to suggest that some kind of extraordinary phenomenon has occurred. Should the will of a sovereign be thought of as a sort of telekinesis?

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

The Holy spirit baptises you into water

 

[JaumeJ]

Num 6:24 Y'varekhekha Adonai v'yishmerekha (Hashem bless thee, and keep thee);
Num 6:25 Ya'er Adonai panav eleikha vichunekha (Hashem make His face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee);
Num 6:26 Yissa Adonai panav eleikha v'yasem l'kha shalom (Hashem lift up His countenance upon thee, and give thee shalom).
Num 6:27 And they shall put My Shem upon the Bnei Yisroel, and I will bless them.

והניף אותם הכהן תנופה לפני יהוה קדשׁ הוא לכהן על חזה התנופה ועל שׁוק התרומה ואחר ישׁתה הנזיר יין׃
זאת תורת הנזיר אשׁר ידר קרבנו ליהוה על־נזרו מלבד אשׁר־תשׂיג ידו כפי נדרו אשׁר ידר כן יעשׂה על תורת נזרו׃

וידבר יהוה אל־משׁה לאמר׃
דבר אל־אהרן ואל־בניו לאמר כה תברכו את־בני ישׂראל אמור להם׃
יברכך יהוה וישׁמרך׃
יאר יהוה פניו אליך ויחנך׃
ישׂא יהוה פניו אליך וישׂם לך שׁלום׃

ושׂמו את־שׁמי על־בני ישׂראל ואני אברכם׃

Don't like transliterations brother?
J.

I was always happpy readding theWord wiith the transliteratiions only, but since I have read it in Hebrew, with great helps, I love to keep in mind the actual translations. They always bless me.

 

[Inquisitor]

Come, let us reason calmly together.

There are a lot of words thrown at our screens making claims about the following terms. It would seem wise to first of all settle on some biblical definitions of those terms before making bold unfounded assertions about them. Can anyone give biblically sound definitions of these terms with biblical texts to back up those definitions?

1. the will.
2. to will
3. a free will
4. a bound will
5. to be sovereign
6. to predetermine
7. elect

If anyone cannot offer a biblical definition of these, should that person be confidently spouting doctrine about them?

A definition of

3. free will

Free will is the philosophical and theological concept that individuals have the ability to make choices and decisions voluntarily, independent of external influences or determinism. It implies that individuals have the power to act according to their own preferences, desires, and intentions.

Key elements of the concept of free will include:

1. Voluntariness: Free will implies that actions are chosen voluntarily, and individuals have the capacity to decide how they will act based on their own motivations.
2. Autonomy: Free will suggests a degree of autonomy, meaning that individuals are self-governing and have the ability to make decisions without being entirely predetermined by external factors.
3. Conscious Choice: Free will involves conscious decision-making. Individuals are aware of the options available to them, and they choose a course of action based on their understanding and preferences.
4. Responsibility: The concept of free will is often linked to moral responsibility. If individuals are considered to have free will, they may be held accountable for their choices and actions.
5. Compatibilism vs. Incompatibilism: Philosophical discussions on free will often revolve around the compatibility or incompatibility of free will with determinism. Compatibilists argue that free will is compatible with determinism, suggesting that even if events are determined by prior conditions, individuals can still make free choices. Incompatibilists argue that determinism and free will are fundamentally incompatible.
6. Theological Perspectives: In religious and theological contexts, discussions about free will often intersect with questions of divine foreknowledge and predestination. Various religious traditions have different perspectives on the extent of human free will in relation to the divine.

The concept of free will has been a subject of debate and inquiry in philosophy, theology, and psychology for centuries. Different philosophical traditions and religious beliefs offer diverse perspectives on the nature and extent of human free will. (ChatGPT)

 

[Johann]

Come, let us reason calmly together.

There are a lot of words thrown at our screens making claims about the following terms. It would seem wise to first of all settle on some biblical definitions of those terms before making bold unfounded assertions about them. Can anyone give biblically sound definitions of these terms with biblical texts to back up those definitions?

1. the will.
2. to will
3. a free will
4. a bound will
5. to be sovereign
6. to predetermine
7. elect

If anyone cannot offer a biblical definition of these, should that person be confidently spouting doctrine about them?

Rom 1:10 Making request, if by any means now at length I might have a prosperous journey by the will of God to come unto you.

Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Mat_28:14 And if this is heard by the governor, we will persuade him and will make you free from anxiety.

Eph_2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Ephesians 1:11
In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will

Romans 8:29-30 states, “For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.” Ephesians 1:5 declares, “He predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will”

Mat_24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

J.

 

[PaulThomson]

Rom 1:10 Making request, if by any means now at length I might have a prosperous journey by the will of God to come unto you.

Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Mat_28:14 And if this is heard by the governor, we will persuade him and will make you free from anxiety.

Eph_2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Ephesians 1:11
In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will

Romans 8:29-30 states, “For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.” Ephesians 1:5 declares, “He predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will”

Mat_24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

J.

What do you specifically exegete from these particular verses? In your own words.

 

[Johann]

What do you specifically exegete from these particular verses? In your own words.

Nothing specifically-since the Scripture references are pretty self explanatory and I take it you are an intelligent person..
J.

 

[PaulThomson]

A definition of

3. free will

Free will is the philosophical and theological concept that individuals have the ability to make choices and decisions voluntarily, independent of external influences or determinism. It implies that individuals have the power to act according to their own preferences, desires, and intentions.

Key elements of the concept of free will include:

1. Voluntariness: Free will implies that actions are chosen voluntarily, and individuals have the capacity to decide how they will act based on their own motivations.
2. Autonomy: Free will suggests a degree of autonomy, meaning that individuals are self-governing and have the ability to make decisions without being entirely predetermined by external factors.
3. Conscious Choice: Free will involves conscious decision-making. Individuals are aware of the options available to them, and they choose a course of action based on their understanding and preferences.
4. Responsibility: The concept of free will is often linked to moral responsibility. If individuals are considered to have free will, they may be held accountable for their choices and actions.
5. Compatibilism vs. Incompatibilism: Philosophical discussions on free will often revolve around the compatibility or incompatibility of free will with determinism. Compatibilists argue that free will is compatible with determinism, suggesting that even if events are determined by prior conditions, individuals can still make free choices. Incompatibilists argue that determinism and free will are fundamentally incompatible.
6. Theological Perspectives: In religious and theological contexts, discussions about free will often intersect with questions of divine foreknowledge and predestination. Various religious traditions have different perspectives on the extent of human free will in relation to the divine.

The concept of free will has been a subject of debate and inquiry in philosophy, theology, and psychology for centuries. Different philosophical traditions and religious beliefs offer diverse perspectives on the nature and extent of human free will. (ChatGPT)

Where do you find this definition of free will in scripture -

"Free will is the philosophical and theological concept that individuals have the ability to make choices and decisions voluntarily, independent of external influences or determinism. It implies that individuals have the power to act according to their own preferences, desires, and intentions.".

I don't see "It implies that individuals have the power to act according to their own preferences, desires, and intentions," anywhere in scripture. In fact Romans 7 says the opposite. It says you can will but yet still be unable to do what is desired/willed.

 

[PaulThomson]

Nothing specifically-since the Scripture references are pretty self explanatory and I take it you are an intelligent person..
J.

Anyone who has some understanding of these verses will be able to express that understanding in their own words? I look forward to seeing your explanations of them.

 

[Johann]

Anyone who has some understanding of these verses will be able to express that understanding in their own words? I look forward to seeing your explanations of them.

Sorry for coming back to you now-we have load shedding 3x a day here in South Africa- 2 hours-

Back to your question-do you want the condensed or long version-one or two liner-exegetical or heremeneutical?

J.

 

[PaulThomson]

Sorry for coming back to you now-we have load shedding 3x a day here in South Africa- 2 hours-

Back to your question-do you want the condensed or long version-one or two liner-exegetical or heremeneutical?

J.

Whatever it takes in your own words. You could do only two texts at a time per post to avoid an inordinately long answer.

 

[Johann]

Whatever it takes in your own words. You could do only two texts at a time per post to avoid an inordinately long answer.

"Inordinately long answer?"
See you @PaulThomson
J.

 

[notmyown]

Undoubtedly, our will is part of our nature. but that does not define what will is. many things can be bound to a wall, but noting that truth does nothing to define what paint is. an angel"s will is bound to the angel's nature; a devil's will is bound to a devil's nature; an eagle's will is bound to an eagle's nature; God's will is bound to God's nature. What do all their wills have in common? Their wills desire things.

certainly all creatures desire things, and exercise their will to accomplish these things. i wouldn't say God's will is bound in any way, though.

i did not say our will is part of our nature, though. it's bound to it.

tell me, can a bad tree bear good fruit?