I’ve heard people talk about spiritual baptism. I’m not aware of the bible telling us or alluding to a baptism of/by the HS. I’m hoping this discussion will help me to understand how some come to this conclusion and the scriptural support for it.
Let me first give my basic current understanding on the topic and my concerns. My concern is this “spiritual” baptism is being used to replace water baptism and make water baptism of no effect. If it does actually replace water baptism then great, I want to know and understand.
I understand what the transliterated word “baptism” means. I understand that it’s used in various ways. For this discussion, I would like to stick to baptisms role in conversion. I want to understand what the bible tells us about water and "spiritual" baptism.
I do believe there is a spiritual baptism because the bible tells me so. “Baptized with the Holy Spirit” However, baptism with the HS only happened twice and each one was for a very important specific purpose. The first was the beginning of the church on Pentecost and the other was the first Gentile converts. These were directly from God and evident by speaking in tongues.
Please do not use these two to prove "spiritual baptism". I acknowledge this is spiritual baptism. If you believe they were not special situations, then since they are not special you should be able to use the other conversions to prove your point.
Now God has given us His word so we can understand these things. I trust God has chosen the right words to tell us about these things so we can understand. So please use scripture to make your point and tell me how that scripture supports your point.
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
That is what i am waiting for I can describe all of this I often imagine recieving it but I never doand when I describe it I feel it in me but almost stale not the real thimg but I feel it I knpw it is true have you ever held your breath amd upon breathing in after holding your breath for so long you feel the life retrun to youJesus may well have left his life in the water too, waiting for you to be baptised in the water.![]()
Emotion? that is not where I am coming from I have tasted and seen the real thing truth is based on peoples understanding their interpretastion what I described was from experience not emotion I gave been in these waters and spoke of what I felt and ecperienced the river of life is realNever to late to join the fun.
I'm sorry but I don't use emotion to determine truth. I don't trust emotions either. I only trust in God's word, the living water. It's what will judge us in the last day. 48 The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.
What does God's word tell us about baptism?
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, I believe Jesus.
It also tells us baptism saves us.
Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God [p]for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
It washes away our sins.
Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins by calling on His name.’
How does it wash away sin, by putting us into Christ.
Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?
. Hi blain. Nice to see you.Emotion? that is not where I am coming from I have tasted and seen the real thing truth is based on peoples understanding their interpretastion what I described was from experience not emotion I gave been in these waters and spoke of what I felt and ecperienced the river of life is real
Truth what is truth? many claim it is the scripture yet look at how divided we are all the denominations the diverse interpretations how casually everyone cherry picks and uses his word the devil knows better than anyone that to win a war you confuse divide and conquer if there is only one truth then why all the divsion
this is not good enough for me I am not ok with this so called truth that only creates division if you hold his word as you say you do then do you not see the seeds opf enemy in the system of Christianinty? is the divsion itslef not enough to make you question if what we call truth is really the truth?
Truth what is truth? many claim it is the scripture yet look at how divided we are all the denominations the diverse interpretations how casually everyone cherry picks and uses his word the devil knows better than anyone that to win a war you confuse divide and conquer if there is only one truth then why all the divsion
this is not good enough for me I am not ok with this so called truth that only creates division if you hold his word as you say you do then do you not see the seeds opf enemy in the system of Christianinty? is the divsion itslef not enough to make you question if what we call truth is really the truth?
Yet you say there is no turth aside from scripture but with all division akk the demomiations all the interpretations of the scripture in the end the truch is a word that is decideded on we consider to be truthWhat is truth-said Pilate to Jesus-and not waiting for an answer he promptly turn his back on the Living Truth.
Joh 18:38 Pilate said to Him [scornfully], "What is truth?" And when he had said this, he went out to the Jews again and told them, "I find no guilt in Him [no crime, no cause for an accusation].
(38) Pilate saith unto him, What is truth?—“‘What is truth?’ said jesting Pilate, and would not stay for an answer.”
The Bible is peculiarly God’s Book. It is God’s revelation to the human race. Note this plain and important statement in the Bible concerning the Bible.
II Timothy 3:16 and 17
“All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.”
The Greek word translated “given by inspiration of God” is “theopneustos”. This means “God-breathed”. This is somewhat explained in:
II Peter 1:20 and 21
“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation. “For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.,”
The Holy Spirit is infallible. Men who wrote the Books of the Bible did not write their own ideas or doctrines. They were moved or “carried along” by the infallible Holy Spirit. Hence these statements concerning God’s Word.
I Peter 1:24 and 25
“For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth and the flower thereof fadeth away: But the Word of the Lord endureth forever. And this is the Word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
Psalms 119:89
“For ever, O Lord, Thy Word is settled in heaven.”
Psalms 138:2
“I will worship toward Thy holy temple, and praise Thy name for Thy loving kindness and for Thy truth; for Thou hast magnified Thy Word above all Thy name.”
Hebrews 4:12
“For the Word of God is quick and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
Now let us note what Jesus Christ said about the Scriptures and Himself.
John 5:39
“Search the Scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of Me.”
Luke 24:25 to 27
“Then He said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into His glory? And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, He expounded unto them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.”
Luke 24:45 and 46
“Then opened He their understanding that they might understand the Scriptures. And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day.”
Then note several other Scriptures, spoken or written after Christ went back to heaven.
Acts 4:27 and 28
“For of a truth against Thy holy Child Jesus, Whom Thou hast anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel were gathered together for to do whatsoever Thy hand and Thy counsel determined before to be done.”
Acts 26:22 to 24
“Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come: That Christ should suffer, and that He should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles. And as he thus spake for himself, Festus said with a loud voice, ‘Paul thou art beside thyself: much learning doth make thee mad.’”
I Corinthians 15:3 and 4
“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures; “And that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures.”
The Lord Jesus Christ is mentioned in the 27 Books, from Matthew to Revelation, by noun and pronoun, more than 6900 times.
The very heart of the Bible is the fact that the Lord Jesus Christ, Who was in the Godhead in creation, came down from heaven to die for sin; that is, He appeared once in the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. Hebrews 9:26. But note the fact also of His resurrection and ascension; for He went back to heaven where He now lives at God’s right hand: “This Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God.” Hebrews 10:12.
This was all in fulfillment of God’s infallible Scriptures, according to God’s infallible Word. God’s free gift is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23.
There is NO truth outside of Scriptures.
Shalom
J.
Work on your grammar-very difficult to follow your train of thought.Yet you say there is no turth aside from scripture but with all division akk the demomiations all the interpretations of the scripture in the end the truch is a word that is decideded on we consider to be truth
Again iis the division the demonination the personal interpretation and understanding not clear how the art of war works? scripture is so easiliy used but without understanding that this is the word of God himself the very same voice who spoke exinstance into being imagine being in front of him take the scriptures and take what you understandind them to be I have been before him the fear of the Lord makes you really understand how powerful he is your body trembles your soul itself says to jim I am under your feet you dare not even look at him yet your pouring tears in such awe you tremble but somehow in glee you speak of the scriptures yet I speak him himself
you want the truth? go after the living word of God Jesus himself if everything I have spoken is still so unbeliebable then you are not listeningg are you so unware how easily scripture can be used or manuplated to fit your own beliefs what you consider to be truth?
Jow many people have claimed to go by the scriptures never understanding them so casually using them as if it is not a holy and sacred thing? And all you see is this division the constant debut the cpnstant this is what meant which always causes division confusion the scriptures are based on interpretation he is not he is the living waters the soothin sensation to your body and soul the living waters the fire that gives life and if you cannot understand this much if I am so open and honest about this then it is your loss
Does nothing I sat resonate with you at all? are really willing to seek the truth are you willing to give up what ypu thought was truth?
What you are saying is-follow Christ-leave the Scriptures, when they are indissolubly Echad-and no mention of the Ruach in your post to me.you want the truth? go after the living word of God Jesus himself if everything I have spoken is still so unbeliebable then you are not listeningg are you so unware how easily scripture can be used or manuplated to fit your own beliefs what you consider to be truth?
Precious friend, some of us are just "doing the best we can with what we've got,"Work on your grammar-very difficult to follow your train of thought.
Difficult when they want to divorce Scriptures from the Christ-my son is cerebral palsied-severely and in need of constant daily care-and yet he types with his one thumb and listen to anointed preachers-and yet he cannot speak.Precious friend, some of us are just "doing the best we can with what we've got,"
so if we have dyslexia or autism, things "just don't work quite right" with our brains, so we just need patience from others "very-well-versed" in grammar, and, from God, we could be Encouraged And Edified with His:
Grace Word for our infirmities!
Amen.
Healing and InfirmitiesPrecious friend, some of us are just "doing the best we can with what we've got,"
so if we have dyslexia or autism, things "just don't work quite right" with our
brains, so we just need patience from others who are "very-well-versed" in
grammar, and, from God, we could be Encouraged And Edified with His:
Grace Word for our infirmities!
Amen.
Precious friend, some of us are just "doing the best we can with what we've got,"
so if we have dyslexia or autism, things "just don't work quite right" with our
brains, so we just need patience from others who are "very-well-versed" in
grammar, and, from God, we could be Encouraged And Edified with His:
Grace Word for our infirmities!
Amen.
What you are saying is-follow Christ-leave the Scriptures, when they are indissolubly Echad-and no mention of the Ruach in your post to me.
Pentecostalism.
Shalom
J.
So no your just another loud mouth
-who don't care what you are saying but what stands written-Perfect Tense.So no your just another loud mouth
that's right you don't care and your not a Christian-who don't care what you are saying but what stands written-Perfect Tense.
J.
Birds of a feather flock together-from my quick observation we have a few loose apples here-unhinged-with cognitive dissonance, maybe?that's right you don't care and your not a Christian