What if you die before water baptism?

[Thunderrr-mental]

@Thunderrr-mental as i mentioned to you, i would like to discuss things with you too but the problem is that i can't understand you since English is your second language.
However, even if you spoke perfect English i find your mental state to be very disorganized.
In one sentence you say 10 topics in response to one topic.
So, for the 50% of the things that i am able to understand from you and which i find interesting, i take them and post them somewhere else where i can discuss them with people who are able to speak English.

So, i don't think we'll be able to understand each-other and that's okay. It is what it is.

there is nothing wrong with my English, it has improved greatly.

By keeping on telling somebody there is something wrong, when there is nothing wrong, is like telling somebody there going insane, and my sanity is fine thankyou, as I know my English is fine too, and I know the difference between going mad, and not going mad.

However if your unable to communicate, dont blame me for that, as you where perfectly able to communicate with me, when I was in agreement with you.

 

[Lafftur]

No ... we end up being shown that the logic we use needs some grease.

Logos comes from the same root word as 'logic.'

When its comes to the Word of God?

If someone convinces me to change my mind for something wrong, because they have a pleasing personality?
I would not be a servant of the Lord.....

He testing all of us now to have us discover if we will be found trustworthy for receiving the power needed to share in his life experientially.

He will be our Husband.

Some wives are deep with their husband.
Others skim the surface....

Some treat the Word of God the same way,

What about the root word of "Rhema"....

 

[Lafftur]

@Genez

Check this out...

What does rhema mean biblically?


It is a divinely inspired impression upon your soul, a flash of thought or a creative idea from God. It is conceived in your spirit, but birthed into your natural understanding by divine illumination. A true rhema carries with it a deep inner assurance and witness of the Spirit."

Shall we discuss the Word of God... logically or with divine illumination with the witness of the Spirit... both is best! Just logic is not good, just illumination is not good, both is best.

Just simply throw out everything that does not bare witness with the Holy Spirit - He is the Spirit of Truth.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

@Thunderrr-mental as i mentioned to you, i would like to discuss things with you too but the problem is that i can't understand you since English is your second language.
However, even if you spoke perfect English i find your mental state to be very disorganized.
In one sentence you say 10 topics in response to one topic.
So, for the 50% of the things that i am able to understand from you and which i find interesting, i take them and post them somewhere else where i can discuss them with people who are able to speak English.

So, i don't think we'll be able to understand each-other and that's okay. It is what it is.

like I said. If you think you can wind me up and insult my intelligence, you have got another thing coming.

And if you think you can get the better of my patience, think again.

You can try to get the better of my patience all day long, with comment after comment. But you will lose it before I do

But you will not succeed. 😊

Have a great day.

 

[Eli1]

Have a great day.

Thanks. You too.
Maybe in another life we might understand each-other better.

 

[Lafftur]

@Eli1 and @Thunderrr-mental

Both of you are loved by God and very precious! Try encouraging each other instead of attacking. It makes God sad when we bicker.

We don't know what each other is currently going through... life is hard sometimes. Let's loooooooove and be kind!

 

[Eli1]

@Eli1 and @Thunderrr-mental

Both of you are loved by God and very precious! Try encouraging each other instead of attacking. It makes God sad when we bicker.

We don't know what each other is currently going through... life is hard sometimes. Let's loooooooove and be kind!

It's not attacking at all, i simply don't understand the guy. I mean, maybe someone here is willing to interpret for me when i talk to him?
Sometimes people are like magnets in a spiritual sense.
Placing two unlike poles together causes them to attract. When you try to place two like poles together (north to north or south to south), they will repel each other.

 

[Magenta]

It's not attacking at all, i simply don't understand the guy. I mean, maybe someone here is willing to interpret for me when i talk to him?
Sometimes people are like magnets in a spiritual sense.
Placing two unlike poles together causes them to attract. When you try to place two like poles together (north to north or south to south), they will repel each other.

I did not see you as attacking, either. Just stating simple, straightforward facts, which tm seems incapable of doing.

 

[Genez]

Just to be clearly understood.... there are two births:

1 - Natural birth of water and flesh (born into Adam)
2 - Spiritual birth of water and Spirit (born into Christ the 2nd Adam)

Still too many baptisms.......

Stop biting that apple.

 

[Lafftur]

It's not attacking at all, i simply don't understand the guy. I mean, maybe someone here is willing to interpret for me when i talk to him?
Sometimes people are like magnets in a spiritual sense.
Placing two unlike poles together causes them to attract. When you try to place two like poles together (north to north or south to south), they will repel each other.

Just something to keep in mind and ponder....

When we get in our flesh, we will argue if someone does not agree with us or if they are in their flesh they will argue with us if we don't agree. We just end up very defensive and nit picking with each other.

There are times on CC when I can feel my flesh rising up in a discussion thread and I have to withdraw for a bit and get out of my flesh and ask the Holy Spirit what He wants to say to the person... He always says to love them... they need to know they are LOVED by God more than anything else.

The Holy Spirit also tells me to NEVER defend myself... the moment I start defending anything I said, I become defensive and end up in my flesh.

 

[Lafftur]

Still too many baptisms.......

Stop biting that apple.

Baptisms??!!! I thought we were talking about births!! LOL!!

Sounds like we're on another rabbit trail with apples everywhere!

 

[Genez]

@Genez

Check this out...

What does rhema mean biblically?


It is a divinely inspired impression upon your soul, a flash of thought or a creative idea from God. It is conceived in your spirit, but birthed into your natural understanding by divine illumination. A true rhema carries with it a deep inner assurance and witness of the Spirit."

Shall we discuss the Word of God... logically or with divine illumination with the witness of the Spirit... both is best! Just logic is not good, just illumination is not good, both is best.

Just simply throw out everything that does not bare witness with the Holy Spirit - He is the Spirit of Truth.

Do not conflate illumination for shining on ones subjective wishful thinking.

What is wrong with receiving correction when its finally explained?
You keep squeezing multiple baptisms where there must only be one.

It also says "one faith." "One Lord."

Be consistent.

Smiley faces and acting nice is no substitute for what actually saves us from our old self and its ways.

 

[Genez]

Baptisms??!!! I thought we were talking about births!! LOL!!

Sounds like we're on another rabbit trail with apples everywhere!

Stop being like a woman trying to win an argument, please.

 

[Lafftur]

Where are the carrots?!!!

 

[Genez]

Baptisms??!!! I thought we were talking about births!! LOL!!

Sounds like we're on another rabbit trail with apples everywhere!

We were talking about TWO births.
But.. One Baptism.

The old water baptism was the old way....

So you believe its something borrowed, something new?

grace and peace ...............

 

[Eli1]

Just something to keep in mind and ponder....

When we get in our flesh, we will argue if someone does not agree with us or if they are in their flesh they will argue with us if we don't agree. We just end up very defensive and nit picking with each other.

There are times on CC when I can feel my flesh rising up in a discussion thread and I have to withdraw for a bit and get out of my flesh and ask the Holy Spirit what He wants to say to the person... He always says to love them... they need to know they are LOVED by God more than anything else.

The Holy Spirit also tells me to NEVER defend myself... the moment I start defending anything I said, I become defensive and end up in my flesh.

I understand what you're saying but this isn't even a matter of agreement it's a matter of needing an interpreter, at least for me it is.
Also, when i disagree with someone doesn't mean i don't enjoy their company. I've mentioned that many times here.
Many people i work with are unbelievers but i still have a coffee or lunch with them.

You in particular, have a great communication style because you fuse logic with theology which is my preferred way of communication too when we discuss theology.

So for example, in regards to Salvation, i mentioned in this thread here that my understanding of Salvation is the theology of theosis according to the Orthodox Church.
However, your explanation of salvation here: (1) Just what is Salvation? - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums is pretty impressive and it makes me think even though i don't agree with it.
I don't agree with almost 90% of salvation topics here but only 3 people, you included have mentioned something in a way which makes me think.
So, this is what it's all about. Enjoy all the good stuff and ignore all the bad.

 

[Genez]

Where are the carrots?!!!

I would rather you chew on what was said.

Or, you may have to someday eat your words.

 

[Lafftur]

Do not conflate illumination for shining on ones subjective wishful thinking.

What is wrong with receiving correction when its finally explained?
You keep squeezing multiple baptisms where there must only be one.

It also says "one faith." "One Lord."

Be consistent.

Smiley faces and acting nice is no substitute for what actually saves us from our old self and its ways.

I'm thinking you could enjoy some joy...

John the Baptist said, "I baptize you with water but one is coming that will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and Fire."

I see water, Holy Spirit and Fire.... but I do see ONE SPIRIT, ONE LORD, so the ONE BAPTISM must mean that we ALL go through this ONE BAPTISM that consists of 3... kinda like the Trinity.... ONE GOD, yet 3 - The Father, the Son and The Holy Spirit.

We need to not just look at one scripture but ALL scriptures that speak of baptism... the whole picture, no missing pieces to the puzzle.

 

[Lafftur]

I would rather you chew on what was said.

Or, you may have to someday eat your words.

I hope you realize you have a great sense of humor!!

 

[Genez]

I'm thinking you could enjoy some joy...

John the Baptist said, "I baptize you with water but one is coming that will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and Fire."

I see water, Holy Spirit and Fire.... but I do see ONE SPIRIT, ONE LORD, so the ONE BAPTISM must mean that we ALL go through this ONE BAPTISM that consists of 3... kinda like the Trinity.... ONE GOD, yet 3 - The Father, the Son and The Holy Spirit.

We need to not just look at one scripture but ALL scriptures that speak of baptism... the whole picture, no missing pieces to the puzzle.

Ok ok ok....