What if you die before water baptism?

[Thunderrr-mental]

When they tell God's words, They should be able to prove it contextually instead of displaying intellectual dishonesty. Don't have scripture saying what they say.

God's word says you should be baptised in water.

 

[CS1]

God's word says you should be baptised in water.

please provide the text from the bible

Thank you,

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

Gods word says you have to be baptised

And so I was. It Changed nothing (except my wet clothes), but HEY!! The Bible (and the Baptist denomination) said I should be.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

please provide the text from the bible

Thank you,

And so I was. It Changed nothing (except my wet clothes), but HEY!! The Bible (and the Baptist denomination) said I should be.

people received the spirit at the day of pentacost, and then had to be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ.

Because they needed to have remission of sins in the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

And because they needed to be resurrected in Jesus Christ.

So it's the spirit in you that baptises you in water.

And it's the spirit in the baptiser through laying on of hands that is a witness.

It's called being baptised in the holy spirit and water.

Jesus said a man can not enter the kingdom unless he be born of spirit and water.

Jesus calls you to testify for his kingdom

 

[Genez]

And so I was. It Changed nothing (except my wet clothes), but HEY!! The Bible (and the Baptist denomination) said I should be.

Even John the Baptist said that water would stop...


“I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after
me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will
baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire." Matthew 3;11


John the Baptist did not say....

He will baptize you with water and also the Holy Spirit and fire."

 

[CS1]

people received the spirit at the day of pentacost, and then had to be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ.

Because they needed to have remission of sins in the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

And because they needed to be resurrected in Jesus Christ.

So it's the spirit in you that baptises you in water.

And it's the spirit in the baptiser through laying on of hands that is a witness.

It's called being baptised in the holy spirit and water.

Jesus said a man can not enter the kingdom unless he be born of spirit and water.

Jesus calls you to testify for his kingdom

Please show me the chapter and verse where it says that

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Please show me the chapter and verse where it says that

it's common knowledge of every pastor I know in the UK and from the bible which I have already showed.

people received the spirit at the day of pentacost, and then had to be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ.

Because they needed to have remission of sins in the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

And because they needed to be resurrected in Jesus Christ.


So it's the spirit in you that baptises you in water.

And it's the spirit in the baptiser through laying on of hands that is a witness.

It's called being baptised in the holy spirit and water


Jesus said a man can not enter the kingdom unless he be born of spirit and water.

Jesus calls you to testify for his kingdom


Every single word here is in the bible and I have already shown you.

Good day. I've given this thread enough of my time

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

people received the spirit at the day of pentacost, and then had to be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ.

Correction: People received the spirit the evening of the ressurection as recorded at John 20:22. There's no record of them being Baptized.

They were "Endued (clothed) with POWER" at Pentecost - i.e. the Holy Spirit came ON them.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Correction: People received the spirit the evening of the ressurection as recorded at John 20:22. There's no record of them being Baptized.

They were "Endued (clothed) with POWER" at Pentecost - i.e. the Holy Spirit came ON them.

yes have it your way.



If you have peace I'm happy for you.. but I hardly think arguing over water baptism is peace.

I'm not even going to challenge your statement I'm just going to say, well you believe your correct.

And I believe I've read the whole bible.

 

[tourist]

Is there such a baptism which is done without water?

John the Baptist said that Jesus would baptize with the Holy Spirit and fire.

 

[CS1]

it's common knowledge of every pastor I know in the UK and from the bible which I have already showed.

people received the spirit at the day of pentacost, and then had to be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ.

Because they needed to have remission of sins in the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

And because they needed to be resurrected in Jesus Christ.


So it's the spirit in you that baptises you in water.

And it's the spirit in the baptiser through laying on of hands that is a witness.

It's called being baptised in the holy spirit and water


Jesus said a man can not enter the kingdom unless he be born of spirit and water.

Jesus calls you to testify for his kingdom


Every single word here is in the bible and I have already shown you.

Good day. I've given this thread enough of my time

Please provide Biblical proof for your understanding. "Common knowledge ", is not truth. Nor does it show ones understands what they are speaking about.

Thank you,

 

[Genez]

Correction: People received the spirit the evening of the ressurection as recorded at John 20:22. There's no record of them being Baptized.

They were "Endued (clothed) with POWER" at Pentecost - i.e. the Holy Spirit came ON them.

"And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. " John 20:22​

OT prophets and some kings also had the Holy Spirit also given to them.

But none had the Spirit indwell them and take up permanent residence in them until Pentecost.
Jesus gave His Spirit before Pentecost to give them the needed strength to endure until Pentecost.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Please provide Biblical proof for your understanding. "Common knowledge ", is not truth. Nor does it show ones understands what they are speaking about.

Thank you,

I know you will probably reject this to, but anyhow, feel free to do so.

What bible says about being resurrected in Christ



Romans 6:8-11

New International Version



8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.


John 11:25-26 (NLT) Jesus told her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Anyone who believes in me will live, even after dying. Everyone who lives in me and believes in me will never ever die.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Please provide Biblical proof for your understanding. "Common knowledge ", is not truth. Nor does it show ones understands what they are speaking about.

Thank you,

what the bible says about being born of water and spirit

John 3:5-21 NIV
Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Please provide Biblical proof for your understanding. "Common knowledge ", is not truth. Nor does it show ones understands what they are speaking about.

Thank you,

what the bible says about already having the spirit and then being baptised in water in the name of Jesus Christ,


Acts 10:47-48
47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48
Acts 10:47-48
47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water.

They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48



So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

"And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. " John 20:22

The effect of which is given in Luke 24:48 - Their UNDERSTANING WAS OPENED - the result of being indwelled by the Holy Spirit.

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OT prophets and some kings also had the Holy Spirit also given to them.

But only UPON THEM, not in them, since that NEVER happened until after the Ressurection. (John 14:17)

But none had the Spirit indwell them and take up permanent residence in them until Pentecost.

WRONG - Pentecost was when the Holy Spirit came UPON THEM. He was already IN them from John 20:22.

Jesus gave His Spirit before Pentecost to give them the needed strength to endure until Pentecost.

That's nothing more than a "Paradigmatic theological assumption" with no basis in fact. Cessationists teach that to ELIMINATE the "Second blessing" of Acts 2:4.[/quote][/QUOTE]

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

yes have it your way.

And so I shall.

 

[Genez]

The effect of which is given in Luke 24:48 - Their UNDERSTANING WAS OPENED - the result of being indwelled by the Holy Spirit.

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But only UPON THEM, not in them, since that NEVER happened until after the Ressurection. (John 14:17)



WRONG - Pentecost was when the Holy Spirit came UPON THEM. He was already IN them from John 20:22.



That's nothing more than a "Paradigmatic theological assumption" with no basis in fact. Cessationists teach that to ELIMINATE the "Second blessing" of Acts 2:4.

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Not simply "resurrected." Before the indwelling Holy Spirit was to be given He had to ascend and become GLORIFIED.

The permanent indwelling began at Pentecost which took place just after Jesus was Glorified!

On the last and greatest day of the festival, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, ​

“Let anyone who is thirsty come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, as ​

Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.” By this he ​

meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. ​

Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been ​

glorified." ​

John 7:37-39​

Jesus was not yet glorified as He was to become until after returning to heaven...

He needed to first ascend to the Father and be crowned and given glorification.

Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. ​

Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and ​

your Father, to my God and your God.’” John 20:17​

grace and peace ..................

 

[Kroogz]

Jesus wanted everyone baptized in the Spirit, in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Jesus knew they would be confused in the beginning, assuming He meant water baptism.
But, eventually... after having water baptized many (as he had done prior to the Church age) Peter "finally" caught on
that its about Spirit baptism, no longer water as they had always done on a regular basis.

Take note! Read how Peter let us know that he had forgotten about how Spirit was to replace "water" baptism!
He was first told about it in Acts 1:4-5 and had forgotten...

Acts 11:15-17​

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“As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning. ​

Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized ​

with the Holy Spirit.’ So if God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord ​

Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could stand in God’s way?”​

Yes! Many today are making the same kind of mistake that Peter had!
Its embarrassing for them, and many refuse to be corrected.


grace and peace .

I agree. In fact, I believe water baptism served its purpose and now we have written doctrines and the completed Canon of scriptures to teach us what water baptism symbolized. The Church and being indwelt with the Holy Spirit was a brand new doctrine And water was a great teaching aid to illustrate the baptism of the Holy Spirit before the doctrines were written out for us.......If one wants to get wet nowadays, bring your trunks and take a swim also!

IMO, it's way more beneficial to sit and learn the doctrine, rather than getting dunked in H2O.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

what the bible says about already having the spirit and then being baptised in water in the name of Jesus Christ,


Acts 10:47-48
47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48
Acts 10:47-48
47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water.

They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48


So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.


What bible says about being resurrected in Christ



Romans 6:8-11

New International Version



8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.


John 11:25-26 (NLT) Jesus told her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Anyone who believes in me will live, even after dying. Everyone who lives in me and believes in me will never ever die.


what the bible says about being born of water and spirit

John 3:5-21 NIV
Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.


All of this fits with this


people received the spirit at the day of pentacost, and then had to be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ.

Because they needed to have remission of sins in the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

And because they needed to be resurrected in Jesus Christ.


So it's the spirit in you that baptises you in water.

And it's the spirit in the baptiser through laying on of hands that is a witness.

It's called being baptised in the holy spirit and water


Jesus said a man can not enter the kingdom unless he be born of spirit and water.

Jesus calls you to testify for his kingdom


Every single word here is in the bible and I have already shown you.

Good day. I've given this thread enough of my time, it's been a pleasure talking to you